Quote Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
Many on this site identify as libertarians, and I am definitely opposed to the government sticking its beak in, and to big government in general. However, a few problems arise, for me.

You say that you oppose big govt, then everything you espouse has big gov't running it. Make up your mind.

In the recent debate on here about health care, there was libertarian argument against universal health care, because we "need less government, not more." Agreed absolutely...but does that mean that all governmental functions are inherently wrong? 95% at least yes

I wonder where you think the govt should be made smaller since I have never seen you state any govt program you would cut. The libertarian (I consider myself one) belief is that this country should be run according to our constitution, period. Anything that is not in the constitution is Unconstitutional.

Health care must be handled by somebody, and, as profoundly amoral as governments are, they are at least PARTIALLY accountable to the people...unlike the business sectors that currently handle it, and which the libertarians would have keep running it. These companies answer to no one but share holders, and much suffering is the result.

WRONG, Companies answer to their customers. Ever heard the statement "the customer is always right"? That did not come from some govt flunky as their view is exactly the opposite.

They are notorious for dropping people as soon as a major illness kicks in,
Tell the person that told you this they are LYING. They may be notorious for it but that does not make it true. The squeaky wheel gets the grease (or news coverage in this case).

and also many families have been bankrupted if one of their members has a long stay in the hospital. Ideally, neither of these corrupt systems would handle health, but for now, government is the healthier alternative.

Many doctors have been bankrupted by being sued by trial lawyers also, do you want govt taking that profession over also?????

If I were to declare a political affiliation, it would be as a libertarian socialist...
THERE IS NO SUCH THING
mainstream libertarians tend to advocate laissez faire economics that allow for the disgustingly amoral practices of the world's corporations.
Like giving people jobs.
I read that NATO is the only treaty in history which has been proven to harm the general populace and wages of all the countries involved....it is praised glowingly for the great wealth it has brought to big business, but few others. I advocate that the workers own and control their own workplace, answering to labourers and nobody else
I advocate that all my employees save their money and buy me out. Then I will buy it back from them in a few years for pennies after they FAIL for putting the worker over the customer. I invested and put my hard earned money at RISK to start and run my business, my employees invest nothing, take NO risk and expect part of the profit. TO THEM I SAY FUCK YOU!!!!! They are paid what the JOB is worth, not according to what they say they want.
....laissez faire capitalism is hardly any better than state communism, in my books (which is pretty damn awful). These assholes have to be curbed, because of the demonstrable harm they do domestically as well as worldwide.

This statement is so stupid it could only come from a college professor, and deserves no response.

Discuss?
This is meant as a difference of opinion and not as personal attack.