Im so lost on what particular point your going for with this? Sure, i know America isnt clean...sure we dont play fair sometimes.....sure we have a very, very, short successful checkered past, nobody denies that. So what are you getting at exactly? Cause arguing philosophical points goes nowhere fast.

It would be like a thread titled " Englands partition of India and the blood it shed....list attrocities and mean stuff commited by Brits with bad teeth." We could go all day with that, but there is no end game. We do it to further our nations interests i guess.