Quote Originally Posted by carinia
"how is medicare or ss socialist? the va is for veterans, that's a totally different ballgame."

Actually... social security, va, medi are socialistic. Socialism as in, the spread of wealth, goods, and services for the equality of the masses.

"now the govt owning stock in private corporations is socialistic. aig, gm, and many different banks. not to mention they control fannie mae and freddie mac who own about 80% of all mortgages in this country. that's socialism."

Thats economic Fascism, which is rampant in America. Also, the government has taken "economic measures" to control stock in these corporations as a result of to much leniency (aka repeals of many financially important laws such as glass steagall) in previous years, mostly by republican hands.

Sorry, im kind of a liberal but I can't stand when people label everything as socialism like its a horrible disease without understanding what they're saying.
what did i label socialism? you are the one labeling them socialistic.

"socialism-a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

so you tell me how the va, ss and medicare are socialistic? the community doesn't own anything. i would label them as communism (which socialism can and often leads to).

"(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

fascism entails a dictator and often involves nationalism and racism.


-shake