advise on soil?

[carinia]

Hi Shiloh, even tho you made some good choices, just thought Id throw down what I use; soil I go for promix, its light, airy, buffers well, the roots like it. Its also not as pricey as fox farm, like 10 bucks for 3 cubic feet i think. Or sunshine mix, depending on which store Im at. Fox farm nutes, the organics are pretty kick ass for a newbie.

Oh and Id wait a few days/week after transplant to start your nutes!

[phatsesh101]

any medium can be used, i knew a dude that grew some good stuff in playground sand and mg ferts or maybe schultz, i wouldnt have believed it if i didnt see it. (i wouldnt use sand)

well alot of things come into play and youll have to learn to adjust

i generally use the second from the top line at my local nursery for potted plants if theyre gonna be in pots sometimes i add perlite sometimes i dont and it usually costs between 6-10 dollars.

recently since the supermarkets started carrying the entire FF line i found a store that dropped their price per bag to $12 for 1.5 and ive had to adjust my purple erkle goes magnesium def. after about a month and my headband went p-k defficient at around the same time. so what im saying i guess is close your eyes and point to pick one. if you like fox farms read the ingredients and go to the nursery and find the same thing with a different name.

as far as sunshine i wouldnt recomend it if theyre gonna be growing longer than 3-4 months cause after the lime runs out it might get difficult to maintain proper ph

i currently am using FFOF i a gallon for a month til nutes are bout gone then to pmix4 where i can control flower nutes so i only buy flower nutes.

[shiloh]

thank you, let me go off the subject a lil bit..im getting ready to transplant the clone is it safe to put it under 1k watt hps light if so what is the correct distance between the light and the plant? also, should i ph the water befor adding nutes or mix the nute in the water first then ph the water..thanks

[DOUGAL25]

thank you, let me go off the subject a lil bit..im getting ready to transplant the clone is it safe to put it under 1k watt hps light if so what is the correct distance between the light and the plant?

If it's rooted, you should be able to nuke it (with light)...It's when you are looking to create roots on a clone when you want reduced light!

also, should i ph the water befor adding nutes or mix the nute in the water first then ph the water..thanks

Mix the nutes in the water then ph it!
:stoned:

[Rusty Trichome]

thank you, let me go off the subject a lil bit..im getting ready to transplant the clone is it safe to put it under 1k watt hps light if so what is the correct distance between the light and the plant? also, should i ph the water befor adding nutes or mix the nute in the water first then ph the water..thanks

1000w is a large chunk of overkill unless you've got shitloads of clones.
I'd start 'em at about 3-4 feet from tops, but check that it's not too hot, and that the soil doesn't dry too quickly.
Do you use a cool-tube?

If you have a ph pen, nutes first then adjust the ph.
If using an aquarium test kit, adjust to 6.8 or so, then add nutes. (nutes generally bring down the ph further)

This whole thing started because I said i'm an MG hater. Rusty, why do you give a shit if I don't like it? Where did I "blindly attack" MG? And furthermore, since when does your aptitude level with Miracle Grow indicate your experience level? I'm not here asking for help with soil. If you want to offer the MG way of growing, fantastic. I'm not going to stop you, or even argue with you. I would likely sit back and see how it works. I think you have me sorely mistaken with someone I'm not.

This disagreement started when you tried to spread bullshit about a product you've never had any experience with, yet even lacking any experience...you are totally willing to share your inexperience and continue the folklore.

You've got a strange way of twisting this disagreement around. Where did I say that your ability to use MG is in any way connected to your aptitude? I didn't. However, your experience level can and will get you through virtually any growroom situation, including the ability to see a plant's condition, and reactions...and adjust from there. This ability does not stop at the Miracle Grow bag.

You can be the smartest egg in the crate, but as I have stated plenty of times before...bullshit is bullshit. It doesn't matter how smart you are. But it does matter that you seem to be willing to take shortcuts and parrot bullshit with something as simple as answering a question about soil...

Doesn't it suck making such a mess out of answering a newbies post? Perhaps next time you'll post about something you actually have first-hand knowlege or experience with.

Have a good day. :thumbsup:

[florida boy 3]

about time someone stood up for miracle grow. iv'e been using it for 6 years and never had a problem. i let the time-release ferts do their job during the growing period. and once i switch to 12/12 i use foxfarms big grow, big bloom, and tiger bloom. i keep a bottle of (ph down) on hand to keep everything growing. i'm with rusty on this one.

[deleafer2220]

1000w is a bit over kill for a single clone ?

[ditdotter]

The first 3 or 4 grows I did with Miracle Grow, and yes I had problems like 99% of all nubes when I first started out. Experience is the best teacher. You learn to adapt to whatever soil you happen to be using.
I grew tomatoes for years in Earthboxes and used a potting soil by the name of Sun Gro Metro Mix found at the local nursery. It does't contain any nutes that I can tell from reading the outside of the bag, but it sure grows some nice tomatoes. A couple of summers ago I decided to try to grow cannabis in it and I was pleased with the results. The only thing I do to modify it is to add more perlite. Then feed according to what the plants tell me. I run the used "soil" through the composter then use it again to grow tomatoes and peppers with.
A question I have is- I have never reused the potting mix to grow pot in though tomatoes and such don't seem to mind. Can it be reused and what kind of treatment would it require or do you just dump it and write it down as a growing expence?

[irydyum]

Doesn't it suck making such a mess out of answering a newbies post? Perhaps next time you'll post about something you actually have first-hand knowlege or experience with.

Have a good day. :thumbsup:

Not really. I don't think it's a mess at all. I see you with your eloquent words belittling people when they disagree with you. I'm fine with it. I know what I produce, and nothing you say can take that away. I'm not even mad at you. If I let everyone with a different view upset me, I would be jaded as hell. Not gonna happen. Good day to you as well.

[phatsesh101]

if its all you have there are some variables.

i grow at a local collective and they run 100+ clones under a 1000w at 10-16inches but maintain a canopy temp of 78F

so if i were you id lsten to rusty, start farther away and monitor but never closer than 10 inches or youll light bleach.

rusty is safe and scientific when it comes to growing (a bit grumpy & confrontational at times), if youre dependent on your crop, he will offer great reliable info and tell you when to ask another if he doesnt know.

most other are more opinionated per experience or bias, I am not taking sides in this argument cause irydium offers good info also. theyre saying the same thing in different ways.

good soil is better to have. i think newbs find time release pellets to be bit of a pain (overwatering, popping to many too fast or maybe under watering and not popping enough) hence the dislike for standard MG. MG organic has slow release bone meals that rely on microbes so its harder to over do it.