Single Payer health Care

[Ramulux]

if the government gets involved it will be the biggest dog in the fight, which
will drive private insurance company's out of business which will inevitably
lead to a single payer system, something that goes against everything this
country stands for and everything that makes us great.

First of all, you obviously did not read any of the information which you asked for and I provided for you. If government involvement in the health care system leads to private insurance companies going out of business, then how come the Netherlands have such a thriving private insurance industry? I do not know how to have a debate about this subject if you are not going to actually look at the facts that I provide and offer some sort of rational counter argument.

YouTube - RONALD REAGAN Exposes OBAMA'S Socialist HealthCare Scheme @ AARP TownHall Meeting!!

You are really going to have to come up with something better than this. This is just a video of soundbites from "Ronald Reagan speaks out against socialized medicine" imposed over an Obama town hall meeting. Now I have already listened to the entire album before and everything he says is just reused republican talking points that have been debunked for decades. Ronald Reagan is one of the most twisted, horrible motherfuckers to ever walk this planet and the economic reforms he put in place are still fucking this country over. Now I have already addressed most of his points in my previous post but if there is anything in particular you would like to discuss I would be more than happy to.

YouTube - Liberals are dishonest in health care reform debate...

The first thing I want to make clear is that the current legislation proposed by Obama is not perfect. I myself have some problems with it and am not opposed to taking a little more time and working out the details. If we are going to have real health care reform in this country it is going to need to be done right or not at all. So as it stands right now, I agree with many of the progressive congressman opposing the current plan because it is not substantial enough. I will also not even attempt to defend some of these "blue dogs" who are impeding the process not out of any rational disagreement with the plan, but simply because their election campaigns were funded with millions of dollars in insurance money.

YouTube - A Short Course in Brain Surgery

What is important to remember is that the current health care reforms are not going to turn us into Canada. Obama is not going to outlaw private medical practices. We are not all going to have to be on a government health care plan. If you want to pay to see a doctor sooner that is perfectly possible. Now on my previous post I posted a similar story about a Canadian in need of an MRI who received it within a perfectly reasonable amount of time. I also made it clear in my previous posts that these systems are not perfect. No government is going to be able to provide world class health care whenever anyone needs it, for free. When you are giving an entire country free health care there are obviously going to be waiting periods. There are only so many doctors. However, I will admit that I do feel sympathy for this man and his situation. I also wont deny that this is an example of how the Canadian health care system is not perfect. But this does not change the fact that the vast majority of Canadian citizens are capable of visiting a doctor without ridiculous waiting lists for free.

YouTube - ObamaCare Yay Or Nay? The Truth About Canada!

I don't even know what you want me to say about this because there are so many elements about this video that are total bullshit. But I guess I will try.
1. Nothing that happens in this video doesn't happen in America.
2. I am sure people who cannot afford medical care do not have a problem waiting a few hours considering if they didn't have government care they would "never" see a doctor.
3. These guys bitch about not being being able to get a blood test for no reason.
4. They go to a gigantic hospital on a "Sunday" and are surprised when they have to wait in line for a few hours.
5. The hundreds and hundreds of Canadians commenting about how they have never experienced anything like what happens to this guy.

YouTube - Townhall Protest - George Fights with Obama Supporters

This dudes a fucking moron. If there is any particular point you want me to address, let me know because this guy has no idea what hes talking about.

YouTube - Ron Paul slams Obama's plan for socialized healthcare reform on CNN (6/15/09)

I have a great deal of respect for Ron Paul and I agree with many of his policies and ideas but I obviously disagree with him in regard to what form of government best suits this country. You picked a really bad segment with him because all the points he makes I have already addressed in one way or another. I am really disappointed to see Ron Paul spouting out talking points like this and kind of wish I had never seen this clip.

the bottom line is that if it were such a great system it would have passed already, they don't need republicans for this bill to pass. the democrats are the ones that are holding it up.

The democrats holding up the process aren't real democrats. They are pro-business moderates whose campaigns were funded by insurance companies. Regardless of how "good" the reforms are they are not going to vote for it because if they do, they don't get reelected. As for the progressives who are against the bill I have already said that I agree with many of their complaints and have no problem with them taking the time to produce a truly comprehensive reform deal.