I have seen no new info....just fighting and arguing ..no red/far red grow log. I stated previously i would do a side by side HPS vs HPS/incan but the room i use now is unsuitable for that. i am 1/3 done building a new room,3 -6' x 3' tables in a 10' x 14' room will provide me with room for these trials but i am in not in the best of health so it's taking kind of long to get there , sorry. as to the CMH bulbs CAN'T get a grip on that time factor stuff but i've herd mostly good things about them[the bulbs]...the price is the big draw back.IMHO you can get the same spectrum with a mix of cheap generic HPS/MH.