well im finally starting some progress,followed the advice given by rusty and upped the p.h to 6.5..i was finding it hard to control the temps and this was causing the soil to dry out too quick..i really fuck ed them up over the first week but things are movinga bit now. 3(2 V+ 1 PP) are thriving,4 (3 VOODOO+1 brainstorm)are above ground and 4 more are ready to come through over the next few days..hopefully... ill post some more pics as they grow..going to use l.s.t as my space is gonna be fairly cramped with them..