Whizzinator heating pads HELP!!!

[Dutch Pimp]

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THIS???

the end is near for QF, if they don't react, quick....:wtf:

[webdox]

The link says nothing about smell or foam. It's the uric acid they know isn't in most QF which you even mentioned in your post. Have you ever read a fail story for the Canadian version? I haven't and I'm still not convinced lab in Oregon are testing and failing for that either, the jury is still out until someone posts real proof like an MRO report showing what the sample failed for not just that HR called and said I failed so QF must be the culprit.

It isn't time to start spreading doubt regarding a fail story you read on another forum. They could have failed that user for MANY reasons, she didn't list one reason she failed to scrutinize and mentioned no lack of foam or odor so I'm not sure why you are jumping to that conclusion. She bought her QF from a headshop and mentioned NO home adulteration testing of her synthetic like everyone is suggested. It could have been old, fake, bad, wrong temp, she'll never know since she didn't test and neither will we. She, the "headshop owner", and you are just assuming the lab she went to failed her for some new secret reason. She like everyone who states they failed didn't post an MRO report. To that end, I don't believe she failed for anything other than human error.

There have been many times over the years that people have posted fail stories without ever offering anything other than their word that they failed and then ran away from the forums. That is how FUD is spread and is proof of nothing. There are thousands of success stories for every fail.

[Jerry G]

QF has never foamed or had smell. That's not why people fail.

I just read the Hawaii article, that sounds legit.

I would be very wary of using QF.

It appears that a clean donor may end up being the only way to get into the sub club.

[cofergus]

I was hoping someone could put me at ease about since I will be a first time subber sometime in the next year, hopefully before all the states catch on:

1) Is 2-3 ounces enough? I know that SEC and LEW has stated that you are only required by law to give 2 ounces and most of the time they ask for more only to dump the excess in the toilet. I am paranoid that even if I have the 3oz quick fix and dont fill it up to the line they mark or tell me to that they will ask me to resubmit. As we all know, quick fix IS THE BACKUP so once the quick fix is gone, your screwed if asked to resubmit.

2) I have heard from others in the forum that even though this can occur naturally in human urine, quick fix can be red flagged for not foaming or having an odor. Once again if something tips off the collector, you could be asked for another sample and are screwed

3) I know from two posts that Oregon and Hawaii are now testing for something that is not in quick fix 5.7. Enter the Canadian version that supposedly takes care of this, but I have not read any stories of people using this, any success stories, or if this solves the "issues" of smell and natural foaming.

I know that it all depends on the facility and how much they want to mess with you, but like most of you I cant take any chances. The worst thing (other than failing) that I can think of after successfully subbing would be to be asked to resubmit a sample knowing you have no more quick fix you can carry on your person and no clean urine of your own. The more you draw attention to your sample the higher the chance that they will screw with you.

I will accept answers/ideas/comments from anyone, but I was hoping the regulars and experts on this forum could help me out before I place my order. Paranoia sucks.

[Deige]

I was hoping someone could put me at ease about since I will be a first time subber sometime in the next year, hopefully before all the states catch on:

1) Is 2-3 ounces enough? I know that SEC and LEW has stated that you are only required by law to give 2 ounces and most of the time they ask for more only to dump the excess in the toilet. I am paranoid that even if I have the 3oz quick fix and dont fill it up to the line they mark or tell me to that they will ask me to resubmit. As we all know, quick fix IS THE BACKUP so once the quick fix is gone, your screwed if asked to resubmit.

2) I have heard from others in the forum that even though this can occur naturally in human urine, quick fix can be red flagged for not foaming or having an odor. Once again if something tips off the collector, you could be asked for another sample and are screwed

3) I know from two posts that Oregon and Hawaii are now testing for something that is not in quick fix 5.7. Enter the Canadian version that supposedly takes care of this, but I have not read any stories of people using this, any success stories, or if this solves the "issues" of smell and natural foaming.

I know that it all depends on the facility and how much they want to mess with you, but like most of you I cant take any chances. The worst thing (other than failing) that I can think of after successfully subbing would be to be asked to resubmit a sample knowing you have no more quick fix you can carry on your person and no clean urine of your own. The more you draw attention to your sample the higher the chance that they will screw with you.

I will accept answers/ideas/comments from anyone, but I was hoping the regulars and experts on this forum could help me out before I place my order. Paranoia sucks.

If your this damn paranoid and won't be taking the test for a long time, then quit smoking. If you can't, find a clean donor and get their sample. Then your fears of so called "foam and odor" will be alleviated.

Your obviously an intelligent person so I will give you one good piece of advice. Use the search button. All the information you need is at your fingertips and I'm not buying this no smell and no foam bullshit. It's the Uric acid that they are testing for and that's what the Canadian version has with it.

[bobthenuker]

I feel your paranoia. I have to take a test in 2 days. I just ordered the 3 oz bottle. It cost $10 extra but that's no sweat. I thought it would be bigger, but it's rather small, small enough to conceal. I'm hoping that it'll work (fingers crossed). I did not buy the Canadian version. Deige, do you think this will be a problem?

[Deige]

I feel your paranoia. I have to take a test in 2 days. I just ordered the 3 oz bottle. It cost $10 extra but that's no sweat. I thought it would be bigger, but it's rather small, small enough to conceal. I'm hoping that it'll work (fingers crossed). I did not buy the Canadian version. Deige, do you think this will be a problem?

I feel your guys paranoia... Believe me Ive been there. What you need to focus on is confidence. Your not a drug user, your an upstanding citizen who is being persecuted for the wrong reasons. 2oz is more than sufficient for a tester to ask for, if you can't supply it then say that's all you can give. They are there to collect samples and that's it. They don't get paid extra for catching patients that are trying to cheat a drug test. That's why I think the "No foam and No smell" strategy is bullshit. Seriously, name the people you know who want to sniff piss for a living... It just doesn't happen. No one wants to sniff piss or shake it, their more worried about spilling it on themselves.

[Deige]

Practice maintaining temperature with your QF. Tucking it under your "Nether" reagion is the best way to maintain temp over long periods of time. QF can be reheated over and over, so don't worry about ruining it. You guys will be just fine.

[bobthenuker]

Thanks Deige, I do have one final question. I don't really have any tight underwear, so I was thinking about getting some duct tape and taping the QF to my very inner thigh, right beside the testicles. That is, the side that's going to be taped is not the side that has the heat pack rubber banded on. I'm going to wear baggy pants so I'm sure no one will be able to see. What do you think about this idea? Any other suggestions for concealment?

[webdox]

I'll make this fast because I already answered you in your other thread dedicated to your problem...

No smell and shake ever. EOS They are not failing for subjective reasons.

The article you linked reads like a joke, like the brilliant lab in Hawaii just finally discovered people are using synthetic urine and what is missing in it! For shits sake why do you think QF sells a version WITH uric acid and one without? They know and have known for years.

The person you linked who claimed they failed said they got it from a head shop. Right there the story becomes moot because head shops can and do sell: old, outdated, and sometimes fake products. No quality control, don't believe that persons story at all. They didn't test it at home themselves like it is suggested to do to assure quality control. Hell, they could have turned in a room temp sample for all you know. It could have been filed with gatorade. They didn't say what they failed for. Fact is they could be an idiot, a liar, or both.

If at the end of the day you can trust it, you can clean out, dilute, or sub real pee. We will continue to use QF and similar products to pass our randoms on a daily basis. Best of luck.