New Induction Grow light

[jstepp590]

Well I for one am interested in these lights. Granted the initial startup cost is higher than HID but considering that you don't have the heat generated you get with HPS and the bulbs last far longer in the long run it is actually comparable to HPS. I have been looking at the inductionlamps.com 500w light in 2700k and after adding the cost of a ballast, hood, bulb (every 8 months to a year), hood cooling fan, tubing, squirrel cage etc of a 1000w HPS they are only a couple hundred more, and that is if I get the cheap ballast instead of the digital.

I would like to use a Aquamist system with it so the penetration isn't as much of an issue since they are so short in that table but of course a side by side, even with an HPS at the same watt as the induction, in an actual grow would be the clincher for me. I'm not trying to save power but heat and the necessity of venting heat. It would be a pain to set that up in my home with all the tubing and necessity of tearing apart my vent system to reach the outdoors from my basement, once my state goes medical.

IMHO the best light is still a true sulphur plasma from plasma-i but they aren't retail yet and cost WAYYYY too much. That full spectrum would be amazing though.

[hilights]

Hi bubbas
That gives me a better perspective on things and I'll bet your right, these "Mland" and I presume "Super grow" that look the same and have the same marketing blurb (water proof ? lasts for a human life time etc etc ) if it sounds to good to be true it probably is , Are made for another purpose ,not growing heads indoors.
It surprises me that there is not more people out there absolutely raving about these super grow lights (looks the same as Mland) if they really worked I'm in OZ and we only just got them here but there bin around for a while in America

[jstepp590]

Well I for one am interested in these lights. Granted the initial startup cost is higher than HID but considering that you don't have the heat generated you get with HPS and the bulbs last far longer in the long run it is actually comparable to HPS. I have been looking at the inductionlamps.com 500w light in 2700k and after adding the cost of a ballast, hood, bulb (every 8 months to a year), hood cooling fan, tubing, squirrel cage etc of a 1000w HPS they are only a couple hundred more, and that is if I get the cheap ballast instead of the digital.

I would like to use a Aquamist system with it so the penetration isn't as much of an issue since they are so short in that table but of course a side by side, even with an HPS at the same watt as the induction, in an actual grow would be the clincher for me. I'm not trying to save power but heat and the necessity of venting heat. It would be a pain to set that up in my home with all the tubing and necessity of tearing apart my vent system to reach the outdoors from my basement, once my state goes medical.

IMHO the best light is still a true sulphur plasma from plasma-i but they aren't retail yet and cost WAYYYY too much. That full spectrum would be amazing though.

Oops, I just watched the video you posted on your prior post using the 200w induction. Great job on that plant, it looks amazing, and thank you for posting the video. After seeing that I no longer need a side by side with a HPS, that is more than good enough for me. If that is the 200w in 2700k I am FASCINATED to see what the 500w will do!

[brynpav]

Hi Hilights,
I can't say for sure the new and improved bispectrums won't work as well as standard spectrum bulbs but their specifications sure point in that direction. I testd the first generation all purple lights and they were terrible. They like first gen LED's vegged well but fell flat on the flowering so to improve it they made half the bulb in 2700K. I don't have a lot of info on the inda gro. i see they have 5250K. This color is a full spectrum color that has blue and red spectrum in it however more in the visible range of green and yellow light and less red but decent blue. I would suggest to ask them for a spectral power distribution test data. Their grow light fixture does look better than the Mland as there is no glass and the ballast is out in the open. The mland fixture is actually a tunnel lamp fixture. It has the ballast fully enclosed within the fixture and a piece of glass to protect the bulb. It's IP68 which means its waterproof but why? are we growing outdoors? It only causes overheating issues. We had overheating issues even without glass and our ballast was not enclosed so having it IP68 would make overheating matters worse.Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying others are shit so we can sell more of ours but we don't want disappointed growers who spent a lot of cash for these lights and have them perform poorly and in return telling the world that induction lights are crap. We know they work and are in the next stage of improving them to work even better than any other grow light out there.
We look at HPS and MH lights like old 60's muscle cars, Lots of HP and gobbled up fuel like there was no tommorow. LED's and induction lights are like the new gen of muscle cars more hp but sips fuel. Did you know that Hyundai's sport coupe is quicker than almost all the 60's and 70's muscle cars but still gets 30MPG that's technology!!

I really like your Hyundai analogy and it's relevance to the induction lights. I've personally seen 4 of the 400 watt induction lights that inda-gro makes installed in a 10' x 10' room where there had been 3 1000 watt hps. The room is definetly cooler and the plants were within the last week or two of grow so the kush buds were as good as I'd seen under the hps grows.

For now I'm just using the inda-gro 100 watters for cloning and veg. I like them and would certainly recommend them over the other energy efficient fixture/lamp combination's I've tried. But I'm no expert. What I've learned about induction I picked up from forums like this and the inda-gro site.

[canshake]

I would be very much interested in testing out your induction lighting, I'm currently using a 400 watt med halide....with a broad spectrum band width.
in return I will give a full in-depth analysis of the products performance for the privilege of testing the system. thanks for the opportunity:Chris

[calbunn]

Try calling Inda-Gro and ask for Darryl. They may have a way of doing that for you but you'll never know unless you ask. They do rock though.

[tevfik]

Hi all,
I've read almost half of this thread. These are my personal opinions about these lights. If i say anything wrong, please correct me.
I don't know much about LED and HPS, i know only CFL. I'll just compare with CFL.
The comparison based on 5 years continuously flowering and for one plant only! In reality it may make much more difference.

First of all they're very expensive! No other thoughts at all
Yes they have longlife like 25 years in 12/12 flowering. 5 years warranty.
Lets say i bought a 200W around $450 plus delivery ($100) on ebay. I'm saying it because first of all i must look my ability to buy these. Thats the only source right now i could find cheapest.
I can also buy myself 8x 23w (184W in total) 2500k cfl's for $35 only, from a store here 30 mins from home. Not those cheap chinese things. They're Osram and they have specific spectrums. I also have cheapest chinese bulbs, one is pink and the other one is orange look. I don't have time to waste on unknown pink or orange 2700k's (?). If anyone has and if they work well that'll save much more money.
Do CFL's only have 6 months? After 6 months needs to be replaced? No problem. This makes 70$ per year and 350$ for 5 years. $200 saved! (By the way god knows what will happen in 5 years. There were no grow leds 2 years ago for example. No one can guarantee what will happen to you tomorrow. So putting half thousand bucks on a lamp for long term (specially for 25 years?) didn't seem too clever to me.)
All say CFL's are hot. Yes they are, 2 computer fan is enough to cool them down ($5).Thats what i do. If you still say too hot, there are some other options such as two pins CFL's. They work as cool as these lights (Writing 25C on Osram's website).Outputs 85lm/w. I don't know exact prices of those (bulb+ballast) but i must say if you buy, in 5 years they'll average self ballasted CFL's.
Lets continue the comparison with self ballasted CFL's.
8x23w CFL :12000lm approx. Well enough for a plant. Average light supply for every side of the plant.
1x200w Ind:9000lm, some other sources say 1600lm but it depends on spectrum i guess. 9000lm looks enough for a plant. "No supplemental lights needed" said. But tests showed, results were far from HPS. Only recommended with supplemental CFL's for better results??? One 4x23W used here. That makes 300W/14800lm in total. Well enough for a plant but what is the point of using these lights then? This i'm saying here also same for the LED's.
And here are the graphics. What makes this lights more useful (%96) for plants?

HPS [attachment=o260514] Induction[attachment=o260516] 2700k CFL [attachment=o260515]

I'm a simple CFL user. I don't understand much on terms and I don't want to obstacle anyone specially in business. I just want to run HPS but my room will not let me to do. So I interested any kind of other alternatives but reasonable. I will not fly to the moon with these lamps. If i fly, that will be only self flying and will be fair enough :jointsmile:
Stay in peace :hippy:

[Dutch Pimp]

So I interested any kind of other alternatives but reasonable. I will not fly to the moon with these lamps. If i fly, that will be only self flying and will be fair enough :jointsmile:

If I couldn't go HID lighting?....I would go High Output T5's or PL-L fluorescent tubes.

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-li...ent-tubes.html

[tevfik]

If I couldn't go HID lighting?....I would go High Output T5's or PL-L fluorescent tubes.

Thanks DP. I actually meant this PL-L tubes by sayin 2 pins and that was the first thing in my mind, maybe not for this grow but next one i'm switching to them for sure.

[Dutch Pimp]

Thanks DP. I actually meant this PL-L tubes by sayin 2 pins and that was the first thing in my mind, maybe not for this grow but next one i'm switching to them for sure.

with CFL's, T5's, PL-L or any other fluoros...you have to SCROG, etc...keep plants low, wide & short...:thumbsup: