hey David i am sorry for all this bull shit that just happen on ur thread, i just get pissed off when people start talking shit for know reason, i was just giving my opion on why their might be week stems and fall over. i never said anyone was wrong. and to clear up the cheap led comment i made i was saying alot of these leds off of e-bay are cheap and dont work. its not just throwing blue and red leds where ever u want on a panle and it will work. its a true since behind it each one has to be place in sertin areas. ur plants are looking good i wish the best of luck to u:thumbsup: