Thanks, good points. 2 plants which are further apart have had the tops eaten off, so I guess I'll have 2 of them nturally topped, lol. The 8 that I was speaking of I'm thinking may be to tall to top at this point as they lean towards more towards the sativa side. They are finally starting to branch and grow asw we're getting more sun around here. As for my leafhopper problem of late I used Garden Safe 3 in 1 which is essentially just neem oil. I don't know how well it will work on the bugs, but it always did a great job on this purple fungus problem I used to have at my old spot. Colorful littles bugs, might actually think they were kindof cute the way they bounce and hide from you, if it weren't for the fact that they're eating my chillins', lol.