astral projection

[PureEvil760]

yes mellow you have to enter a trance state before projection if you spend enough time in this trance state you may obtain enlightonment. There is a buddic realm in the astral probably created by buddists but I dont know.

[Dick Justice]

I've been working on this for a good while now (over a month, I know I shouldn't give up yet) but most of the successes I've had were short-lived or accidental. My main problem is the vibrational state, every time it happens it seems to stop, no matter how much I think I'm relaxing. Also, is that hand trick from Don Juan?

[harmonicminor]

I am not sure, one of my friends taught me that when I was 14. But I started at about 6 when I used to have nightmares and my mom taught me that If I was having a nightmare then I would be able to realize it and then be able to controll it. I know of the vibration thing you are talking of. Sometimes the buzzing gets bad and then goes away but heres what ya gotta do....... The trick is to keep your mind alert because it can go lucid real quick.......when the buzzing is real intense sit right up and you may just not be in your body.
One more method..........
After smoking Salvia Divinorum I try to use my Astral Projection methods
I also have very lucid dreams every night for 2 weeks after smoking

I am also interested in trying the Holy Grail mix as mentioned on the James Arthur website. I can garantee you will be on the other side and in more controll than even Astral Travel can take you. The problem with Astral Travel is your mind is still limited by the psyche and doesnt know how to travel through the dimensions that well but with the right spirit plant guiding you you will be able to see much much more that is out there. Kind of like the reason you psyche doesnt let you remember past or future lives and that reason is that your physical mind cant handle the truth.

[Dick Justice]

The Holy Grail is what, like amanitas on top of psilocybin on top of opium on top of something else?

[oldhag]

I'm pretty new at this website. I got high and started surfing the web. I'm amazed at what you guys are saying. I must have lived in another planet than you guys b/c all this sounds like koo koo. Having said that I know I always felt controled in all my behavior. I think I need to study more on these sujects. Very interesting....

[harmonicminor]

I think the recipe calls for syrian rue, amanitas, psilocybin, opium and mj . I also wouldnt mind trying Salviahuyuasca or however you would spell it. I just have to wait for my phalaris grass to be ready and then I will have everything. But just Amanitas alone could be good too. Theres 3 levels of the Amanita trip
1. probably just trippy like psilocybin
2. time compression where 15 minutes will seem like hours
3. you will see your whole life flash before your eyes in an instant and then you will pop out of your body wich can last longer than any of the astral travelling I have done
when I astral travel normally my max time is about 15 minutes

[Dick Justice]

Do you mind putting a kinda thorough guide of what works for you for straight AP, no drugs? And thanks for the subjective amanita info, all I ever heard about it was "makes things seem like different sizes," I guess people just aren't taking enough. What kind of amanita dose is the level 3?

[harmonicminor]

I beleive the level 3 dose for amanita is about an ounce. The caps are more potent of course and some people only use the skins of the cap. you can also buy the extract resin thats like 10X. so theoretically it may take 3 grams of 10x for level 3. dont forget the mushrooms need to be boiled for like 15 minutes to turn the ibotenic acid "poison" into muscimol "the stuff you trip off". for the instructions for astral travelling ....... do the programming with hands method as explained in an earlier post and also try this...... when you wake up in the middle of the night or early in the morning grab a quick cup of coffee .... this helps a lot because it creates a chemical reaction in your brain that will allow you to pop out. next lay on your back and just relax your body while keeping your mind alert. you dont want to go lucid because then you will slip into dream mode. your body will become numb from head to toe but keep relaxing your body. all the sudden you will feel kinda wierd but try to sit up. sometimes you will feel stuck like you cant move but you have to overcome this and once you do you will be able to sit up and look down at your sleeping body. when this happens I like to go to the window and put my hands through it like a ghost and it is really neat because you can feel the texture of the atoms of the glass enveloping your soul. then I will fly right through and just go flying around and stuff. one of my favorites is going at high speeds right through buildings. I have even gone right down through the ground like it wasnt even there. once I controlled both my soul "me" and my body. it was wierd as hell. another cool thing is 360 degree vision all around you. some of my recomended reading is any of the Seth books by Jane Roberts, "You Forever" by Lobsang Rampa, any of the Monroe Institute material, and any books you can find on Eckankar. the religion of Eckankar is like 10,000 years old with the books "The Shirati Ki Sugmad" as its bible equivalent but 8000 years older. But I find the Seth material the most fascinating because it is about the nature of reality from the standpoint of a bieng from other dimensions that have never been human. I started reading the books and once I started I couldnt stop untill I read the whole collection. My mom has always been into that stuff along with my grandmother and she got me into it from a young age.
most importantly above anything you have to believe you can do it
good luck bro I hope you get it

[Dick Justice]

Thanks for all the info, I actually just came back from a nap where I think I made some headway. I felt my body fall asleep around my mind, what a weird feeling!

If you'll pardon my stubbornness though, could you explain the "sitting up" part? Because that's actually what ended my nap, I thought I was relaxed enough (my whole body was tingling as if I had a headrush all over) so I tried to sit up in my bed, but I ended up moving my physical body and I lost the feeling. I just don't understand how it should feel--do I try and instigate the feeling, or do I sort of wait for my body to be ready?

[nomadherbman]

when i was younger, i woke up in the middle of a nightmare...but was still in the dream.....and forced myself to open my eyes which was really hard.....is this a subconcious form of AP?

ive also been expirementing with this for a while now, never read up on it just went by what my parents had told me... everytime i get close i force myself back..i think im gunna die or not beable to return....is this possible in this state?? if so how long should one allow themselfs to be in that state before returning?