well ive been trying for awile and the most ive gotten is once ive gotten my arm out of my body. ive gotten into the trance state many times, but dont really know what to do. i dont know if i should just sit up, fearing that i'll just wake from that state. so ive just been staying there, hoping that i'll just sort of lift up or something. anyways, for lucid dreams, ive done it while listening to this tape, but that only worked once. basically what u have to do is get your body completely relaxed, and then imagine that you are going down a ladder, but u cant see the ladder. make sure you arent thinking of any thoughts, push them away. then u should enter the trance state. once u do astrally project, u are in the astral relm, which is basically "mind stuff". its a collection of everybodys thoughts, and u can shape them into whatever you want, and could make any situation possible. you also have spherical vision, which means u can see all arround you. also, theres something simmilar called lucid dreaming. that is when you are dreaming, but are aware that you are dreaming. from there, you can do whatever you want. well, hope this helps.