over-fert?? wrong nutes?? help! ((pics))

[mjsticky1]

here's what i think is going on: too much N, not enough P & K. i ordered some different nutes with better ratios and have been giving them just regular pH-balanced water (6.5) for last few days to flush out the old nutes while i wait for the better nutes to arrive. i want some other opinions, please. i've been doing alot of overwhelming reading on this stuff and now my brain hurts and i'm freaking out that their gonna die!

mjsticky1 Reviewed by mjsticky1 on 07-07-2009. over-fert?? wrong nutes?? help! ((pics)) here's what i think is going on: too much N, not enough P & K. i ordered some different nutes with better ratios and have been giving them just regular pH-balanced water (6.5) for last few days to flush out the old nutes while i wait for the better nutes to arrive. i want some other opinions, please. i've been doing alot of overwhelming reading on this stuff and now my brain hurts and i'm freaking out that their gonna die! Rating: 5

[Italiano715]

A Troubleshooting form! Yay! You know you wanted one!

[irydyum]

I can't wait to see the form filled out here. Those pics make me sad, I want you to hurry up so we can help you. Cmon

[crabbyback]

I can't wait to see the form filled out here. Those pics make me sad, I want you to hurry up so we can help you. Cmon

I almost screamed when I opened the pics up...

MJSticky1: Please hurry with your ts form, I can't wait to see what's going on here.

[GaGrown]

here's what i think is going on: too much N, not enough P & K. i ordered some different nutes with better ratios and have been giving them just regular pH-balanced water (6.5) for last few days to flush out the old nutes while i wait for the better nutes to arrive. i want some other opinions, please. i've been doing alot of overwhelming reading on this stuff and now my brain hurts and i'm freaking out that their gonna die!

Look on the underside of the leaves very close with a magnifying glass.. Looks like mite damage to me. I thought I may had seen a speck or two in the pics.. They are some destructive critters!!!!!! You can blast them off with a spray bottle... Little to late to treat with neem oil.

Ga Grown!

[crabbyback]

Look on the underside of the leaves very close with a magnifying glass.. Looks like mite damage to me. I thought I may had seen a speck or two in the pics.. They are some destructive critters!!!!!! You can blast them off with a spray bottle... Little to late to treat with neem oil.

Ga Grown!

Definitely could be spider mites, judging from looks only.

MJSticky1: Do you have any "spider webbing" on your buds or tips of the plants?

Is this your only plant (not just MJ, any kind of plant)? If not, quarantine the sick one immediately until you figure out the problem. Spider mites move from plant to plant very easily. Good luck.

[oldmac]

Hey there mjsticky1,

I see you are growing in a rockwool delta bock, your ph level of 6.5 is just way too high for RW, even for just water flushing. That fact alone will cause nutrient lock-out.

For RW you need a ph of about 5.5, both when you feed the plants nutrients and when you flush them. When you get your new nutrients see what the mfg reccomends for RW.

Some strains in RW will even be happier at a PH lower then that, 5.2-5.5.Hope this mightr help you.

[mjsticky1]

here's the completed form. hope you can help me out. thanks

Soil Grows - Peat Based

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...) semi-experienced for 3 + years: recently promoted from water-er to primary caregiver

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's) 1000 watt HPS in flower/ T5 for clones & veg
.2) Distance from tops? not much in flower but canâ??t raise anymore - plants were put in too tall at over 12â?�
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) unknown
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? Yes & no: air moves but not pumped in from outside, definetly not a stale box
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? yes
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 1000 watt HPS, unknown Kelvin, 9am -9pm on/9pm - 9am off in flower, 24 hour T5 light on clones & veg

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) Miracle-Gro Moisture control + perlite added seperately
.8) Size of container. All containers 20�x10 ½�x2� - 5 containers w/4-6 plants per in flower, 2 containers w/6-12 plants per in veg, 1 container w/20 clones in rapid rooter plugs

Your nutrients and water:
.9) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph? Tap water varies from 8-9 pH - we adjust to 6.5
10) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) eco testr pH2 waterproof pen, calibrated about once/wk
11) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) pH up & down
12) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.

Flower (All Advanced Nutrients products unless specified):
Bloom Part A - 2.5mL/L twice/wk - 4.3-0-3.1
Bloom Part B - 2.5mL/L twice/wk - 1.5-6.1-5.7
Botanicare brand Cal/Mag - 1.25mL/L - once/wk - 2-0-0
Bud Candy - 2mL/L daily for 1st 6 weeks - 0-0-1
Veg
Grow Part A - 2.5mL/L twice/wk - 3.7-0-0
Grow Part B - 2.5mL/L twice/wk - 2.5-2.2-5.7
Botanicare brand Cal/Mag - 1.25mL/L - once/wk - 2-0-0

13) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? Watering daily
14) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) see #12, thatâ??s EVERYTHING that we put in
15) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? Get fresh tap water & adjust pH daily so pretty stable
16) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? We put in 6.5, think runoff is around 6.1 in flower room.
17) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? Not so far but considering it because Iâ??m afraid that nutes may be locked up

Your growroom:
18) Indoors or outdoors? Indoors bathroom
19) What size of closet, room or hut? 9â??3â?�x6â??8â?�, flower in 3â??x4â?? shower, clones & veg on shelf above sink
20) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? Flower, lights on: 80-90 F w/30-40% humidity, Clones & veg: 70-75F w/45-50% humidity, Flower, lights off: canâ??t say for 100% sure but think its about 65-70 F, unsure of humidity
21) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? Spider mites killed off last crop, started from seed with this crop & have had spider mites early on but killed them with Azatrol, havenâ??t seen signs of any since & we check frequently out of fear! Magnifying glass on underside of leaves shows no signs

Your strain:
22) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) unknown - long story but gist is that we lost last crop (spider mites) earlier this year & were out of smoke so we got some kinda good stuff from a friend & used the seeds to get going again. Its okay but we are gonna order some white widow seeds once we get our system down again. Had to move operation from garage to bathroom & is a much smaller space so itâ??s a work-in-progress.
23) From seeds or clones? seed
24) Is this an autoflower strain? Dunno what that means!

[mjsticky1]

sorry, i had the light schedule backwards. lights OFF from 9am - 9pm!!

[mjsticky1]

talked to a guy at the shop where we buy all our supplies today and he kinda de-bunked all the stuff i spent the last several days reading online!! i'm overwhelmed & very confused now!! he told me that its best to continue the flush and see what happens over the next week or so. he said that its most likely not a combination of problems and more likely not a nute prob. am i not giving enough nutes?? look at that troubleshooting form and please help straighten me out. i trust this guy's opinion cuz he works with this stuff but even he said that without actually seeing it, he couldn't be sure. i figure somebody here may be able to help cuz you see the pics and have the form!