First time scrogger

[bigtopsfinn]

Just now got a chance to read through all this

Ok scroggersâ?¦.hereâ??s what Iâ??m trying to get a little feedback on:
Iâ??ll be scrogging for the first time and would like opinions as to the height of the screen.
Between the top of the bucket to the bottom of a 250W HID is 56â?�. The reflector is a real spreaderâ?¦â?¦quite wide. Itâ??s enclosed (got glass) and a 180 cfm exhaust fan. Iâ??m going to make an assumption here: Iâ??m assuming that the light couldnâ??t ever be closer than 12â?� ( thatâ??s not exactly the part I want help withâ?¦.Iâ??ll learn that in practice). Take the 56â?� -12â?� = 44â?� In theory Iâ??ve got 44â?� of grow space. Itâ??s a recirc DWC with bubblers.
The strain is an Indica bagseedâ?¦â?¦.Thatâ??s all that I have to work with. And the variables are infiniteâ?¦..that Iâ??m already aware of.
Iâ??m simply asking for opinions on where would you start given this information. Express it in inches, ratios, rules of thumb, based on height, based on veg time, or whatever your personal approach would be in this situation.
You wonâ??t wear me out with detailâ?¦..Iâ??ve got plenty of time to read. I do appreciate the time and energy that you put into my schooling

Thanks,
Horsemanrocks.

I had a chance to grow one of my TW's before I tried scrog, so I had some kind of an idea about the stretch. I vegged to fill the screen 70%. Didn't really care about the height, because first I LST'd and then just set my chicken wire on top of the plants, and tied the screen to my plants' containers (that way the screen stayed around the same height from then on).

I think making your growroom as flexible as possible is the best approach... especially adjusting the height of your light. You could also cut individual screens for each plant, that way you can always turn them, and take them out individually if you have to, etc.

Second link in my sig has my Scrog grow, and I explained it a little better in there. This is where I got a lot of my ideas: http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-ca...ly-ladies.html

Good luck :jointsmile:

[oldmac]

Hey bigtopsfinn,

Been awhile since I've seen you around old friend. Have you been busy moving, hope all is going well for you. Good post too, Horsesass I mean Horsemanrocks needs all the help he can get, but he seems to be trying to get it right before major commitments. Id like to be able to keep him out of the "plant problems" section later.

Great advice as to keeping it fexible.:thumbsup:

[oldmac]

You run two grows, you furnish other people's meds, and then you have the energy to play around with "cold Ethel"? What strain are you smoking lately? :wtf:

Was that her name? I hope she wasn't a friend of yours.

Actually, last night we did some autoAK47 (a couple of small buds fell off) so we vaped them, the only way to check out fresh stuff for taste and potency.

[bigtopsfinn]

Nice to see you around still. Been on vacation (pic is from night fishing in Northern Finland around 2 a.m.) ... now packing for Amsterdam... actually the wife is, I'm mostly enjoying the final spoils of my scrog grow :jointsmile:

[Horsemanrocks]

The sreens where 4'x4' frames and had chicken wire in them.
Screens were 1' above the pots.
This guy vegged for a long time tho I don't remember how long, he was contstantly cutting anf trimming to get the screen filled and even cut stuff above screen to keep it even. To get shorter growth just start your 12/12 when they are about 8" above screen should finish closer to 18-24" ( which btw is what I'd probably shoot for).

Mac
Thanks for the numbers, they somehow help in creating a mental picture.

Id like to be able to keep him out of the "plant problems" section later.

What do you suppose the chances of that are?. Iâ??ll be there with big olâ?? alligator tearsâ?¦..saying please, please help me, babies are dying!

BigTopps
I had a chance to grow one of my TW's before I tried scrog, so I had some kind of an idea about the stretch. I vegged to fill the screen 70%. Didn't really care about the height, because first I LST'd and then just set my chicken wire on top of the plants, and tied the screen to my plants' containers (that way the screen stayed around the same height from then on).

Good specific stuffâ?¦.very helpful.

Your lovely ladies linkâ?¦â?¦thatâ??s the kind of thing that really helps breakdown images. Very nicely done.

I think making your growroom as flexible as possible is the best approach... especially adjusting the height of your light. You could also cut individual screens for each plant, that way you can always turn them, and take them out individually if you have to, etc.

Lighting totally flexible:

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Buckets: No flexibility here:

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My Brain: Even less flexibility here

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How I got that picture is off topic, but a fun story. The off topic cops havenâ??t reprimanded us yet, so Iâ??ll indulge myself.
In the 60â??s I used to hang out at a ranch in the mountains. I always had a lot of fun there. There were always very interesting characters there, some in saffron robes, one in particular who always wore a really cool white robe, bald headed chanters, an Indian medicine man, musicians by the score, lots of beautiful young women who almost invariably were carrying trays laden with browniesâ?¦â?¦so what wasnâ??t to like.
So one hot summer day, we were passing around what we called â??blue hootersâ?�, the guy who owned the place (if I remember his name was Leary) asked if anybody wanted some Kool-aid. It was hot and dryâ?¦.I thought to myself kool-aid was possibly a little juvenile but anything cold and wet would be goodâ?¦.so yeah â??Iâ??m inâ?�. The kool-aid wasnâ??t exactly like any that Iâ??d had before, but goodâ?¦..not too sweet with a little bit of an acid overtone. It did the job on the cottonmouthâ?¦ almost, I had a second Kool-aid and Viola, cottonmouth under control.
The guy in the white robe was quite thirsty tooâ?¦.he drank kool-aid all day long and laughed a lot. He and Leary were always making up names for each other (I think of these two when I refer to oldmac as softmac). Leary called him Dr. Dick or Baba Rum Dumb and theyâ??d laugh and laugh. It was so infectious that you just couldnâ??t help but laugh with them. Baba Rum Dumb referred to Leary as Padre or Father Timothyâ?¦.more laughing as this guy was no priest.
Okâ?¦back to how I got the picture of my brain.
A little later the bald headed chanters began to get their groove on and as time went by everybody began to join in. It was somehow strangely compellingâ?¦.I joined in too. Iâ??m pretty sure I didnâ??t get the words exactly right, but the chant was pretty repetitive and fairly easy to pick up. After some timeâ?¦.not exactly sure how longâ?¦.it occurred to me that: not only could I, but somehow I needed to take a snapshot of my brain.
Sitting next to me in the chanting circle was the Shaman. At that moment he leaned over to me and said â??I hear youâ?� (I hadnâ??t said anything aloud). He reached into his pocket and pulled out three things. A pouch full of herb, tobacco, and a pipe. He told me to take the herb. I tried to, but it was very dry and quite bitter, I had to wash it down with more kool-aid. He then loaded up his pipe and lit it. At that instant his chant changed. A totally different language at a completely different tempo that, for reasons that I canâ??t explain, was in perfect harmony with the first chant still in progress.
Every hair on my body was standing straight up on end. As I looked around the circle, everybodyâ??s hair was on end. In the 60â??s that was a lot of hair. (not sure about those bald guys though). On the ground in front of me was a gopher hole. The Shaman instructed me to dive into that hole and go to â??the centerâ?�. I immediately dove into the hole and accelerated faster, and faster, and still faster. Going deeper, deeper, always deeper. At one point I noticed that the Shaman was right there with me, going ever faster still.
The following morning I woke up at home, in my own bed with no idea what happened between these two points. How I even got homeâ?¦.a total mystery.
I spent the next week at the carwash, washing windows, making a living. Come the weekend I thought that I might run over to the ranch to see what was going on. I grabbed a bag of walnuts (theyâ??re perfect with the brownies) another bag of some weed that we called â??purple moronâ?� (after a couple of hits we just called it â??Muhâ?�) and threw on my Mexican wedding shirtâ?¦..the same shirt that I had worn the week previous. I tried to stuff the walnuts into the shirt pocket, but they just wouldnâ??t go. There already was something in the pocket. I reached into my pocket and removed a Polaroid pictureâ?¦â?¦â?¦.. of my brainâ?¦.Uh, uh uhâ?¦Your guess is as good as mine.

Horsemanrocksout��waayyy out!

[oldmac]

Very nice looking pictures (this time). The light set-up looks good and I really can't wait to see how the hybred mix of HPS and LED does. I really think they should compliment each other.

Your buckets also looking pretty good. I think I'm getting more anxious to see this thing get going then you.

The third picture presents a few problems and even more issues. Doen't look like it's a numbers matching one, maybe a rebuild or just a swapped out one from the junkyard. You sure the shaman or someone didn't steal yours?


Hey Bigtops,

Great picture, makes me want to visit Finland and even take up fishing.
The 2am sun light reminds me of Fairbanks, Alaska in the summer.

[justanotherbozo]

Hey Justanotherbozo, those are some great pics from freezerboy. I was very impressed with it when I saw it over there. Guess you sleep around on other boards too. Good to see you.

thanks man, good to see you too, and still helpin' the noob's, lol.

anyway, i'm glad you liked FreezerBoy's work, and i've been impressed
with his grows for some time now, he really knows his stuff, and not
just how to SGROG, he's a cultivator for real!

and yeah, i bounce around, ...i don't really come to learn anymore, now
i stop in, look to see if there is anyone i can help and if not, i bounce, lol.

[Horsemanrocks]

Subtitle: My brain on drugs!


I know Horse you were worried about my health, but after just reading your story of finding a poloroid pic in your pocket...well son I very worried and concerned about your mental health. LOL
Iâ??ll start this off with another story.
At one point Ghandi was leading a march. The march was set to take two days. After the first day Ghandi announced to his devotees that he would not be participating in the second days march. He explained that in his mind, things had changed and that he no longer believed in the purpose of the march.
His dedication was to truth, more than his need for consistency.
He had at this point abandoned any attachment to what anybody elseâ??s opinion of him might be or what others needed him to be. He was simply doing what he needed to do.

At some point in my life (through the wisdom of one of the storyâ??s characters Ram Dass) it became clear to me that one of the prisons that I had built for myself was the concern of what other people thought of me.
The day that I â??stepped over the edgeâ?� was the day that I too abandoned the concern (fear) of how I was perceived. It was the gift of freedom. One of the greatest gifts that anybody could ever bestow upon themselves.

To a younger guy, telling an off the wall story like that would have been fearful. Oh my godâ?¦.how will I be perceivedâ?¦..theyâ??ll probably think Iâ??m a nut job and avoid me.
I told that story simply for my own entertainment (and possibly for the entertainment of those that had recently enjoyed their â??productâ?�) I had a great time telling it and if anybody else enjoyed it even half as much as I enjoyed telling it, then we both win.

The really fun partâ?¦..a portion of that story is trueâ?¦..Iâ??ll let the rest of you guess which part.

Just a 60â??s kind of guy,
Horsemanrocks

[oldmac]

Hey, seen the lights, seen the buckets, now what are you waiting for?

I want to see some green stuff starting to grow, the sooner you start the sooner the plants will finish.:stoned:

[Horsemanrocks]

I want to see some green stuff starting to grow, the sooner you start the sooner the plants will finish.
Waiting on me is going to be a disappointment.
The first seedlings, actually plants at that pointâ?¦.I gave away (think Guerilla)
The secondâ?¦I got called away. Unfortunately my backup was unavailable also.
The third lost to a poor choice on my partâ?¦..(different potting mix) the ingredients said calcium. A newbs mistake, calcium nitrate isnâ??t just harmless calciumâ?¦.they grew well for a week, then stalled for another, then began to lose that dark green color, leaves began to turn down (ramâ??s horns). Multiple flushes didnâ??t help at all.
I read Ms Stinkyâ??s tutorial on starting in quite small pots and repotting up and up. But damn do they dry fastâ?¦..too much attention needed. Itâ??s getting hot now. I have some in potting mix, and some in an oasis cube in potting mix (in 2â?� pots) to see if that helps outâ?¦..so far it seems to help a little, but may become a problem laterâ?¦.who knows?
Iâ??m still trying to work out the small pot idea. If I have to begin again (just realized, no reason to wait) Iâ??ll start a seed in a peat pot inside a 4â?� pot. I may be able to create a tighter root ball (the way Ms Stinky suggests) without the need to constantly monitor against drying out. I had some winter squash this spring that struggled to break through their peat pots.
Iâ??m a bit of a fatalist in that thereâ??s a reason for whatever, and on the other hand a little disappointed not to be moving along faster. Although I never even considered getting away (heat wise) with much this summer.

All that issue asideâ?¦.Itâ??s becoming obvious to me that unless I make some additionsâ?¦.like A/C and a chiller, that the chances of growing in the heat of the summer are getting slimmer all the time. The A/C wouldnâ??t be so out of place, but a chiller might be a bit of a â??tellâ?�. At this point I have months to figure out how to disguise a chiller.
Other options might be dropping the HID and going smaller with just the UFOâ??s, 180W combined (in two buckets).
Budmac, Iâ??ve tried to imagine how much wattage (heat) that I might be able to cut by dropping the HID next summer and using your style (flouro & led). Presently Iâ??m at 430 watts of heat. Iâ??m open to suggestion. Youâ??ve seen the rectangle (5â??X2.5â??) How much heat could I cut with T-5â??s, if much at all? (By the way, nice choice on the new avatar. It makes you look so much younger).
CB, it appears that a signature revision is in order.
Weeze, if you happen to stumble across this (and I do mean stumble). In another thread you suggested a higher heat threshold than is commonly used, but didnâ??t elaborate much. That and any tricks as to how to get away with higher heat would feed my decaying gray matter. Donâ??t worry, Iâ??d print it out.

The good news is that the outdoor SOG is doing quite well.
I got these seeds from the good folks over at Cheatumseeds.comâ?¦they were a bit pricey, but so far the veg has been impressive. The strain is Nearly Girl.

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Classic sativaâ??s as theyâ??re taking their time to flower. No trichs yet. Canâ??t wait for October.

Halfbrainrocks.