First time scrogger

[Weezard]

Thanks guysâ?¦â?¦there is a lot of â??absoluteâ?� knowledge around hereâ?¦..until it isnâ??t.
I did install this, due to a suggestion on another thread that I eliminate chlorine.

Profit oriented folks that sell RO filters, say crap like that all the time.
That does not make it fact.

Chlorine is an element essential to all living things.

It's only too much Chlorine, (or anything for that matter), that is harmful.
Also, Cannabis seems to have no problem with Chlorine, Sodiun Hypochlorite (bleach), Chloramine, or it's breakdown products (Haloacetic acid , etc.).

But slime molds, cryptobacters, giardiasis, coliforms, general nasties and single- celled shit-storm seeds, do.
Stops 'em dead.

Evaporation/aeration will lower Chlorine concentration, (though it isn't really necessary), and ammonia/organic crud/ Ascorbic acid, (Vitamin C), will lower Chloramine concentration. Again a waste of time and effort.


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I havenâ??t taken the time to clarify if the local water is conditioned w/ chlorine or chloramines.

Does not really matter, my friend.

Well, I take that back.
Total lack of either is not advised.

Did a test a while back.
Put two cuttings in rainwater and two in tap water.
The rainwater kept trying to grow algae and just sucked the life out of the cuttings.
They shrank in size and did not root.
Might say, it sapped it's strength.
Makes sense, distilled water will suck all the goodness out of a plant by osmosis.
The tap water cuts rooted well, and had no schmutz coating the cups.
A week after that, I cleaned the rainwater cups and refilled with tap water.
They rooted in 2 more days, but were too retarded to grow very well.

Seems the chloramine protects plants the same way it protects people.
So,

Or add a tsp. of bleach per 5 gallons of R.O..

I would image that youâ??re using the two interchangeably (chlorine and chloramines)â?¦..SÃ* o no. I do get my 30gals quicker if I donâ??t use the filterâ?¦.and the bleach would be chlorine.

Well, bleach is a hypochlorite salt, but it releases Chlorine ions so, same difference, yah?

As far as CO2â?¦..still holding outâ?¦..maybe too much for a never has been. Life is longâ?¦.when the time is right!

Won't do much at ordinary temperatures anyway

root rot.

Ever since I went on social on Social Security��kinda been afraid to look!

Iffn ya wait long enough your nose will tell ya.

Enquiring minds want to know,
Horsemanrocksâ?¦..out.

Consider yerself schooled, homeslice. - Stinky Attic

Enquiring minds, our specialty.
Got a three for one sale, this week only.

Howzit HMR?

Weeze

[Joefarmer]

Yo, we talkin' bout' scrog or chlorine here?! JK

Here's a few pics of my LED scrog grow. Just installed the screen and they're on day 10 of flower. They're random bagseeds so the height is all over the place, may have to eliminate the weak ones that haven't even reached the screen yet. Luckily I don't have much of a height restriction.

[Weezard]

Lookin' good ! J. the F.


Weeze

[Horsemanrocks]

Yo, we talkin' bout' scrog or chlorine here?! JK

We just go whichever way the wind blows us.

If I remember correctlyâ?¦.the last time you posted hereâ?¦..I followed your grow and your screen was @ 14â?�. Would you change the height for any reason?
I donâ??t remember the LEDâ??sâ?¦..but then I donâ??t remember what I had for lunch either. So if youâ??re so inclined bring me up to (or back to) speed.
I see that you do a lot of manicuring under the screenâ?¦..lookinâ?? like you donâ??t buy the â??too much stressâ?� theory.
Nice picâ??sâ?¦.thanks for sharing.

Horsemanrocks.

[Weezard]

Um, what was the question?

Weeze.

[Horsemanrocks]

Um, what was the question?

While itâ??s painfully obvious that I have no reservation as to being a foolâ?¦..I always imagined that you had more dignity than that.

Illusions shattered,
Horsemanrocks.

[Weezard]

It would appear that your imagination is unsupported by fact.

Dignity?
Brah, we don't even wear pants

Da Humble, un-dignified, Zard

[dejayou30]

Horseman, nice thread. I find myself in the same scrog newb boat. I just put one of my Master Kush clones into the screen today. I am a bit worried about the branches, as they are all bent and bruised from being forced back and forth through the screen and the leaves are all limp and sad looking. After Googling around, I think they should recover since they didn't break or anything.

As far as height, my screen is 2.5' off the ground and 2.5' from my 1KW light. I have a really small vertical space, but in the past I have been as close as 10 inches to the light and not had any ill effects. In retrospect I probably would have been alright a 2', but I wanted a lot of clearance between screen and bucket for some stupid reason. I am just using 300W equivalent CFL's to veg right now because my HID gets too hot in my small room and heats up my water.

Weezard, you have some pretty amazing roots with 90 degree water. Mine is about 77 and its starting to rot a bit, despite the 38W of air pumping through the bucket. :wtf: But the plant above the bucket looks great, and there's no slime on the roots, just some brown color and they don't look happy but they don't look that bad either. Hoping I can limp them along till fall. What the hell do you use for aeration to not get rot in that hot of water?

I posted a thread about my scrog in the advanced techniques forum with some questions that no one answered, and those are: 1) How big do I let the tips get before forcing them back through? and 2) (Which I think I answered myself in the affirmative) Is it OK that the stems are all brown and bruised at the bend site or should I unweave them out of the screen and straighten them out?

I am pretty excited to flower this plant in the ScROG in a couple months after it has filled up the screen. So far, its got half of a 4'x3' screen filled with two months before I can flower because of heat issues. Good thread, and I'm sure I'll be back! :thumbsup:

[Weezard]

"Weezard, you have some pretty amazing roots with 90 degree water. Mine is about 77 and its starting to rot a bit, despite the 38W of air pumping through the bucket. :wtf: But the plant above the bucket looks great, and there's no slime on the roots, just some brown color and they don't look happy but they don't look that bad either. Hoping I can limp them along till fall. What the hell do you use for aeration to not get rot in that hot of water?"



Aloha, Deja

Mahalo!

The airpump is just a standard WallyWorld aquarium pump with a cheap generic airstone.

I attribute my luck to our Hawaiian tap water.

It's from wells, but is stored in tanks aboveground.
If the water company didn't treat the water, with something, it would play host to all sorts of nasties in those tanks.

All this "leave the water sit for 24 hours to let the Chlorine evaporate" nonsense is in reality, counter-productive.
If any water company still uses Chlorine gas, it does not harm the plants, and, in hydro, will give a few days protection from slime molds.

Most water companies actually use Chloramine currently, which is a compound that will not "evaporate" when allowed to sit in clean water.

This is a good thing. :thumbsup:
The Chloramine kills mold and all manner of unwelcome micro-organisms before they can rot yer root.

The other "secret" is what I leave out.
All that goes in my bucket or coco is hydro bloom nutes and tap water.
Specifically DynaBloom, and a little CalMag.

Remember, some nutes will cause root browning.
It's just a stain.
If it's not slimy, and does not smell, it's prolly not a duck.

Too many folks shoot up their own feet by tryin' all that high-priced snake oil on the hydro store shelves, or adding Moleasses to hydro or "Superjive", or "Tiger-go-boom", ad nauseum!
Feh!
I'm with Thoreaux on this; "Simplify".

Crap!
Dat's 'bout 7 cents.
Ya only asked for 2.

:jointsmile:"It's da nature of da meds". - St. Zard the pontificate.

('umble, ain't he?)
Wee, itty, Zard






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[Horsemanrocks]

Chain reactionâ?¦..you double up on medsâ?¦..post this

Brah, we don't even wear pants

Then I have to double up to even sleep at nightâ?¦.sheesh!

Deja,

As far as height, my screen is 2.5' off the ground and 2.5' from my 1KW light. I have a really small vertical space, but in the past I have been as close as 10 inches to the light and not had any ill effects. In retrospect I probably would have been alright a 2', but I wanted a lot of clearance between screen and bucket for some stupid reason. I am just using 300W equivalent CFL's to veg right now because my HID gets too hot in my small room and heats up my water.

This ought to be exciting. Super long vegâ?¦.1000Wâ?¦.limited vertical space. Tell me itâ??s not Sativa dominant. Do not hesitate to keep us up to dateâ?¦.in fact pictures of where you are today would feed a good mental picture.

Is it OK that the stems are all brown and bruised at the bend site or should I unweave them out of the screen and straighten them out?

I saw a good youtube video on messaging the stems (of sorts) to increase flexibility. If itâ??s of interest Iâ??ll be glad to link it here.

two months before I can flower because of heat issues.

Me too, Iâ??m mostly just hanging out waiting for fall. I hope to begin vegging clones in about 3 weeksâ?¦..at least thatâ??s what it feels like today.
I come from a construction background. In construction the guy thatâ??s solved his problems before they become problems sleeps better at night. Weeze, oldmac, crabby and others have been quite patient waiting on a guy who isnâ??t visibly moving forward. I have a million questions and zero experience. But who the hell knowsâ?¦..I may just get â??luckyâ?� and be successful the first time.

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In October you find me with multiple threads in the â??plant problemâ?� section. (I hear from my bookie in Vegas that oldmac already has a grand riding on itâ?¦â?¦wouldnâ??t want to let a friend down)
But rememberâ?¦..when you see me in â??plant problemsâ?�â?¦â?¦.be gentle, itâ??s my first time.

Horsemanrocks.