First time scrogger

[oldmac]

:wtf:I just spent a long time writing about a scrog set up and it all just got lost.

Second time tonight/this morning, it happened to me on an other thread earlier. too tired to try and rewrite and repost now, I'll try later.

[justanotherbozo]

here's a couple links to threads by FreezerBoy, a guy who runs a really
nice little SCROG, in DWC, inside an old freezer.

250w Freezer grow THaze x Skunk

DESTROYER on Ice - 250CMH Freezer Grow

and here's a couple pics to show what i mean.

if you're still lookin' for help, this guy's threads are well worth the read!

[crabbyback]

Horseman,

Even after doing my research thoroughly and planning everything out on paper, I changed things after I got started. It seems to be the nature of the learning curve.

If I didn't habitually overstuff my bloom areas, I would have room for 5 plants. Two in the smaller LED/T5 cabinet (wanna be SCROG). Three in the larger area under 250 and 150 HPS.

When I was talking about light penetration, I really wasn't thinking true SCROG but my own grow. I apologize.
The way I understand a true SCROG, with a screen, everything trained/pushed under the screen withers and dies away eventually from lack of light. At least that's what it looks like in the pictures I've seen. Maybe the true SCROG growers will chime in here.
I'm not so good at pruning the lower/interior bud sites before bloom, so I have lots of popcorn buds. I need a step by step tutorial with pics. However, the way things have evolved, it doesn't really matter whether I've got lots of popcorn or not. I don't trim or cure the popcorn -- it goes straight into canna caps. And there is always plenty of large nuggets to smoke for all. (Crabby hates manicuring with a passion)

BTW - As far as panties go, I don't wear 'em so you can't bunch 'em.

[oldmac]

Hey Crabby,

You're not the only one who hates manicuring but I found the perfect solution, get yourself an old indian side kick. It works for me, Tonto is a trimming fool and is capable of doing hippy cuts (a little shaggy) to the tightest of poodle cuts. I set him up with a tv tray in the evenings and he trims away while watching TV. I haven't trimmed a bud in abt 10 yrs.

BTW your discreption of scrog, with no vegatation between grow bucket and screen is spot on. That's what I've seen.

I'm not even going to ask about your lack of pansies.

[oldmac]

Hey Justanotherbozo, those are some great pics from freezerboy. I was very impressed with it when I saw it over there. Guess you sleep around on other boards too. Good to see you.

Yo Horesmanrocks, man you missed a good post, I spent a bunch of time writing and it was some good shit, but I think our beloved Canna.com boards are under cyber attack by the North Koreans! My post lost to the commies.

So, anyway a few years back I agreed to help this fellow who had set up a sizeable grow using E&F in buckets and scrog with his plant problems, they were all dying and he could not figure it out. (Hey who nows death better then me that was a joke son) It was the first time (really only time) I'd seen a scrog grow in person and close up. I was impressed by a couple of things.

He was using 4'x4' screens that where just wooden frames with chicken wire, he had rooms with 2- frames each and 2- 1000w HID, and under each tray he had 4-buckets with 10" net pot lids plumbed to a central resevior 55gal plastic barrel. The buckets were raised off the floor abt 1' to allow them to drain to a central sump for return to the barrel.

He would grow and veg the plants using MH and as they grew he would cut the top to make it branch more, and as it grew he would strecth branches out a put them up through the screen. He would fill the 4x4 screens like they were trays and they looked like a tray of small plants. When they reached a height of 12" or so hed swith to HPS and 12/12. The branches grew like sog plants and would finish abt 28" +/- above the screen level. Below the screen it was bare stalk and branches.

Here's the cool part, when he harvested he'd cut the branch colas abt 6" above the screen, trim any bud material left, then switch back to MH and would re-veg them! When they got to be a healthy 12" or so he'd swith back to 12/12 and HPS. He could do this 2 or 3 times before he'd start new plants.

BTW his problems centered on poor hygiene (his grow not him) and having only 1 resevior for 8 of these rooms. When 1 plant got sick they all would get sick. But running good it was a producing a metric shit load.:thumbsup:

[Joefarmer]

Good stuff oldmac. The ScroGs I've seen (pics) have all been bare stem under the screen and only several inches above the base of the plant. I guess you just have to rely on that 12/12 growth spurt. Getting mine ready, gonna have the screen 9" above the res.

[Horsemanrocks]

Yo Horesmanrocks, man you missed a good post, I spent a bunch of time writing and it was some good shit, but I think our beloved Canna.com boards are under cyber attack by the North Koreans! My post lost to the commies.

Macâ?¦.I noticed one of your posts back sometime where the pictures didnâ??t load. For me this site freezes up at 10pm to about 10:30â?¦..for you a little differentâ?¦but trying to post within this window is fruitlessâ?¦.I bet that you were already aware, just mentioning the possibility!

He was using 4'x4' screens

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When they reached a height of 12" or so hed swith to HPS and 12/12.

Can an old guy like you remember the relationship to the screen at this point?

The branches grew like sog plants and would finish abt 28" +/- above the screen level

I have two options: adjust my mindset to finish lower than my mental picture (36+�) or continue to beat this thing to death until I figure out how to finish within this mental framework���.so, which one are you betting on????
You did say â??above screen levelâ?� â?¦..Iâ??m down with that! (do I sound young, or what)

then switch back to MH and would re-veg them!

Havenâ??t spent a lot of time with re-veg, the little that sticks in my mind is that it can take some time. You know by another thread that Iâ??m already defensive about roots plugging drains becoming an issue and the loss the disease (root rot or whatever) did become an issue.
The first round for me wonâ??t be an issue, but with luck after that my pre-veg tray will set me up for a fairly rapid re-load. Gotta love the innovation though. The one thing that I always keep an eye open for is innovation.

When 1 plant got sick they all would get sick

Scroggers nightmareâ?¦â?¦..Daâ?? gamble yaâ?? take.

BTW - As far as panties go, I don't wear 'em so you can't bunch 'em.

My apologies CB, that wasnâ??t actually directed at youâ?¦.poor choice on my part.


Horsemanrocksâ?¦.and out!

[crabbyback]

Actually horseman, I was joking with you - so certainly no offense taken. I'm not easily offended (meaning I've got more b***s than a woman should have, or so mr. crabby says).

Oldmac: That was a way cool idea that you described. The SCROG sounds like the ones I've seen. That area between screen and roots reminded me of huge live oaks that grow together into continuous canopy and its very dim underneath.

Horseman: go with your own thoughts on height. Only you know your unique grow and you've made good decisions so far. :thumbsup:

[oldmac]

Yeah Horseman,

The sreens where 4'x4' frames and had chicken wire in them.
Screens were 1' above the pots.
This guy vegged for a long time tho I don't remember how long, he was contstantly cutting anf trimming to get the screen filled and even cut stuff above screen to keep it even. To get shorter growth just start your 12/12 when they are about 8" above screen should finish closer to 18-24" ( which btw is what I'd probably shoot for).

I still think it's the N.Koreans screwing up the internet.

Not sure if this ever made it thru, but I was telling someone about my memerory. Long term memeory of stuff that is trivial I can remember great like things I did on the farm when I was a kid. But it is the short term memory that's a troubleing. Like waking up and saying where the hell am I? what time is it? what day? and hey who is this in the bed with me?.......and why is she dead?

[crabbyback]

Like waking up and saying where the hell am I? what time is it? what day? and hey who is this in the bed with me?.......and why is she dead?

You run two grows, you furnish other people's meds, and then you have the energy to play around with "cold Ethel"? What strain are you smoking lately? :wtf: