FINALPHASE/CLEAREX what is in it?

[kuri]

hi there, i've recently heard of two things you can use when you flush your plants that help get the salts out and get the stored nutes in the plant out better than just ph adjusted water.....

so WHAT IS IN final phase OR clearex that makes this happen? is there an ingredient in these things that you could add to the water without buying the product? i really can't buy these products at this time due to budgets for myself and if there was an active ingredient in those products that you could replace with something you could get at a store easily.

just like vinegar brings ph down and baking soda (soda?) brings ph up. something like that but for a replacement of what final phase and clearex does. thanks for anyones brain cells and knoweledge.

kuri Reviewed by kuri on 03-25-2005. FINALPHASE/CLEAREX what is in it? hi there, i've recently heard of two things you can use when you flush your plants that help get the salts out and get the stored nutes in the plant out better than just ph adjusted water..... so WHAT IS IN final phase OR clearex that makes this happen? is there an ingredient in these things that you could add to the water without buying the product? i really can't buy these products at this time due to budgets for myself and if there was an active ingredient in those products that you Rating: 5

[kuri]

i hope my question was clear, i know i tend to ramble

[Sativus]

at the university, water is known as a "universal solvent", meaning that given enough time, water will break down anything to its purest form. using chemicals to remove chemicals, i would think you still end up flushing with water, and if givin enough time, water would have done the job in the first place.

[kuri]

i agree with what you are saying... i've posted with others in other posts that use the clearex and final phase and asked what is in it, one response i got was some natural this and natural that. didn't really tell me.

others that i have asked say they liked flushing with water and it was good but when they tried clearex or final phase, then they could really tell the difference in taste.

i plant to use only water this time as i don't want to keep spending for other stuff. just was wondering if there was anything NON chemical that could be added to help the flush.

but yes i agree with you water is the universal weak/strong. it can be as soft and still as a mirror or become a tsunami as we all know.

[Sativus]

then if clearX has natural ingrediants, but they cant say what they are, i would think twice. the taste difference could be another factor, like a chemical residue that people "thinks" tastes better. like making cherry soda chemicaly, people "think" its cherry, but its really a chem factory. ive heard of people flushing their plants and adding vanilla extract to the final flush to get the flavor in the plant. so if you add a chemical, the plant will suck it up. clean water moving through a plant will clean it, but you must give it time.

[phillykid420]

I'd say water is fine and lots of people have used it for many many many years with no problems. IMHO clearex and those things are money makers and that's about it. Besides, don't you do hydro, Kuri? They might put things in it that can unbind particles to soil so it might be useful in that case, but if you fertilize correctly, slowly increase the level as the plants get big then towards the last couple weeks start tapering down then just use plain water you should be fine.

Yes waters a very good solvent, but universal? If it were universal, what would you use for a container? Also water can't solubilize lipids or other nonpolar molecules.

[kuri]

LOL whoa phillykid LOL you are getting scientific on me! i was talking/thinking metaphorically/philosophically LOL. but thanks for that, i need to learn all that biological terms that i skated through in high school and college. i guess i wait to learn stuff until that TIME i need to know it. i tell you, if you add APPLICATION to all school classes, our kids will have a better school system. whoa, sounds like i just changed the subject. i better quite. LOL

[Sativus]

Yes waters a very good solvent, but universal? If it were universal, what would you use for a container? Also water can't solubilize lipids or other nonpolar molecules.

yes, universal all the way. the key word here is "time", which if givin, water will break most things to it's purest state, breaking down molecular bonds, not the molecule it'self. a lipid is in it's purest state. as far as containment, im sure the egg heads at the campus would have a field day with this, but this isnt something i made up. dont underestimate the power of water.

[phillykid420]

Sorry bout that Kuri lol.

http://bioinquiry.biol.vt.edu/bioinq...mls/chem8.html

I still stand by what I said above, universal means ALL, not most, just a difference in semantics. It's a very good solvent, probably the best in existence but that doesn't make it universal. It does not mix at all with nonpolar organics, in solution it separates to 2 phases with no mixing like with phenol extractions. It will not solubilize something nonpolar like lard, otherwise our cells would be dissolved in it. It will not dissolve most metals or plastics. It can eat away at metals but rust is oxidation not solubilized metal.

I don't underestimate the power of water, I know that it is the reason we have life on earth both due to the decrease in density upon freezing as well as it's unique molecular structure that gives it a high specific heat and it's ability to solubilize many things. But many doesn't equal universal IMO.


Science is strange, many times they'll find something wrong but it's been said so often that it stands. Ever see circuit diagrams in physics textbooks? They're all wrong, they're all based on the old "positron" thinking when the old science heads thought positrons moved not electrons. And for some stupid reason nobody ever thought to just change it. So if you look in a text book you'll see charge moving from positive terminal toward the negative, when in reality it's the opposite way. ...Go figure?

peace

[kuri]

philly, thanks for the link and education...honestly. i love how the UNIVERSE works. i state something kind of philosophically half assed and and use the word universal and then i get a good education in science. seriously, i appreciate it. i like to learn new things especially AFTER i'm out of school. i understood all that you said for the most part and will soak that in. thanks again