Greenatik's Vertical Cab

[greenatik]

yup no doubt it would save energy I was just on a budget and went with the 20$ tube option.

are you asking me if I use co2 or gravity? nope, neither, just my beloved coco. I do use koolbloom 3 weeks out of the flowering cycle for a small pk shot though. thinking about co2 on my next project

greenatik Reviewed by greenatik on 08-19-2009. Greenatik's Vertical Cab I decided to make another thread because the title of my last one was no longer relevant to how I'm growing! Started off scrogging, but for multiple reasons (heat stress, unable to flush, light inefficiency) I decided to build a cabinet and hang the 400 vertical in a cooltube. I've also switched nutes and coco. The coco I was using (sunleaves) was cheap, inconsistent, and full of salt. I just picked up a bag of Atami bcuzz, and the consistency & texture is superb. Its pre washed, Rating: 5

[greenatik]

after reading that link you posted, don't you think two glass tubes and water running around the light would filter more lumens? also, can it easily be done vertically ?

[bluntpasser]

you have quite a green thumb green attik..:thumbsup:
do u recommend the atami bcuzz? I am planning out my next grow and considering the atami over a soil after witnessing your results..
do the plants get watered every day in flowering or every other day??

[greenatik]

you have quite a green thumb green attik..:thumbsup:
do u recommend the atami bcuzz? I am planning out my next grow and considering the atami over a soil after witnessing your results..
do the plants get watered every day in flowering or every other day??

bluntpasser, thanks for wanting to wander into the great world of coco! I'll try and answer your questions and more...

the atami bcuzz is the best coco I have used thus far. either that or canna bagged coco would be what I'd go with. bricked coco is really full of salt and takes a lot of preparation. the bcuzz is lightly fertilized so the seedlings don't need anything for a couple days above ground.

but remember soil and coco are nothing alike. I water every day full strength until runoff and flush once a week(nuting immediately after). its best to treat it like hydro and keep the coco moist, not super wet, and NEVER dry (which is why I decided to set up a drip, once a day wasn't cutting it in my small pots). I would advise you not to attempt coco if you're not willing to get the right nutes. the best i've found this far is the advanced basic 3 part line(cheap!). you only need the Micro and Bloom. 6ml micro / 10ml bloom. its not coco specific so don't go off the label, the 6/10 ratio is perfect for coco. PH should be 5.7ish in veg and 6.2ish in flower

you'll also want to pick up either a product like maxi-cal, sweet, or epsom salts. coco requires more magnesium. if you are using tap water you only need to add it maybe 4-5 times throughout the plants life. but if you use osmosis you will want to use it every day. I use 5 ml sweet / gallon (also adds flavour/resin). you can use epsom at 1 gram / gallon. another great thing to boost plant growth in coco is adding beneficial fungi. I also use a p/k boost, liquid koolbloom, 3 weeks outta the flower period @ 3 ml /gallon

seedlings will start to yellow in 4-5 days above ground and I start feeding right away. you can start 2 ml micro / 3ml bloom. before long you can bump it up to full strength. the best advice I can give for coco is not to use too big of a pot, especially for young plants. once a plant has established a good root ball in the coco, it is IMPOSSIBLE to overwater. but at a young age continuously saturating the coco could kill the plant

i know all this might sound overwhelming but its really quite easy and i'd be willing to say you could achieve close-to-hydro results. i'll help you with any questions to make it go smooth. one last thing, here's my schedule

Based on 63 day 12/12 Flower Cycle:

Day 1-14
6ml micro
10ml bloom

Day 15-21
6ml micro
9ml bloom
3ml Kool-Bloom Liquid (0-10-10)

Day 22-28
6ml micro
10ml Bloom

Day 29-35
3ml micro
9ml Bloom
3ml Kool-Bloom Liquid (0-10-10)

Day 36-52
2ml micro
10 ml Bloom

Day 50-63 (Flush)
6.0 pH h20 at <100 ppm

[greenatik]

So the drip is working well I just need to modify it a lil. Going to add a small pump to stir up the reservoir more 1 minute before the drip comes on. they are slightly mag deficient

casey day 44
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[greenatik]

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purple wreck day 44.... frossstttyy.. full size it
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[headshake]

looking might nice my friend!

you always have one of the finest looking cabs around.

on another note, doesn't coco need cal and mag?


-shake

[JeffersonBud]

Sorry I could not reply faster. You lose less then 5% of your Lumens through the water with the Fresca Sol. The fact that you have better CO2 use, can put the bulb 5 inches from the plant, and have better temps would negate that 5% loss.
I believe you can use it in a vertical grow. I don't think anyone has done it yet but I know it can be done. You don't need a very large pump because you want the water to flow slowly thus gathering the heat around the bulb. I have been told that you want just a bit over 100 gph to flow through your light system. I would say you can run the water jacket downwards or if you need to slow the rate of water, run the flow up through the bulb and out the top.
I would imagine you would be the first to try this application.

BTW nice plants!

[phatsesh101]

lookin good. im pleased with casey, took a cutting off the bottom at week 7 and oven dried. she had a nice trainwrecky diesel taste with a strong diesel finish and good buzz. imho it was some of the best diesel ive had, and not cause i grew it, well maybe. im surprised at how shes filling out with all the early stretch.

since ive been in norcal at this location ive been having to increase my mag on everything and even a little more so as of late.

[greenatik]

looking might nice my friend!

you always have one of the finest looking cabs around.

on another note, doesn't coco need cal and mag?

-shake

thanks shake! cal and mag is really a water thing. tap water no, osmosis yes. but it is a common misconception that coco needs calcium. most nutes have plenty cal and not enough mg. 60 ppm mg and 60 ppm cal is ideal

6ml micro / 10ml bloom + mag supplement
N 97
P 60
K 105
Mg 60
S 27
Ca 97

Sorry I could not reply faster. You lose less then 5% of your Lumens through the water with the Fresca Sol. The fact that you have better CO2 use, can put the bulb 5 inches from the plant, and have better temps would negate that 5% loss.
I believe you can use it in a vertical grow. I don't think anyone has done it yet but I know it can be done. You don't need a very large pump because you want the water to flow slowly thus gathering the heat around the bulb. I have been told that you want just a bit over 100 gph to flow through your light system. I would say you can run the water jacket downwards or if you need to slow the rate of water, run the flow up through the bulb and out the top.
I would imagine you would be the first to try this application.

BTW nice plants!

Interesting for sure I will research it further for my next setup because i'm going to have lots of watts in a fairly small area. thanks for all the info :thumbsup:

lookin good. im pleased with casey, took a cutting off the bottom at week 7 and oven dried. she had a nice trainwrecky diesel taste with a strong diesel finish and good buzz. imho it was some of the best diesel ive had, and not cause i grew it, well maybe. im surprised at how shes filling out with all the early stretch.

since ive been in norcal at this location ive been having to increase my mag on everything and even a little more so as of late.

I am surprised how well it is filling out too because of how it stretched. its startin to put on the frost and smell now. can't wait to try it