Do Not Be Fooled or Lied To by The Dispensaries in Colorado

[Tritech420]

Finally someone who reads the entire message-kuddos man.

[phatsesh101]

i used to grow for a collective in socal until the local leo and dea kicked in my door despite TOP LINE SECURITY invade my home. take my meds ROBERRY, take me to jail KIDDNAPPING, just to let me go free after they broke all my shit and found me within guidelines. and lawyer fees and its fucked up shit. now not to mention the cost of a grow sight cause of a moratorium saying i can only grow in industrial areas so now there is rent.

sorry ur in colorado but the dea dont care, and here in cali you can go to more than one dispensary or colloective (for legal purposes) but if they raid 3 different places that have your rec on file 2 of those places are considered illigetimet and theyre are illegaly growing your meds and face prosecution. Not that youll get prosecuted but they will make theyre money off of holding u just to let u go (dry runs)

I have been on the front of this medical shit since day one. Right now we, our local mapp is funding legal costs for lawyers to fight for collectives in san bernardino and riverside counties.

sorry if i came off brash but im sorry of people complaining about the costs of meds, wait til pfizer catches on and charges 30 a gram like for my marinol pill which i can make at home for 5$ each. dont get much shit from the disp. around here ther are over 20 in the town i live in. and 20 on the street i lived on in hollywood.

[phatsesh101]

sorry our laws are a diff here in cali and if i was running an illegal grow id be rich. not homeless

i do agree that prices are a lil high but theres alot to consider before you throw prices out, like strain for instance ppp is maybe 400 a pound, but take for instance something that dont bud like a ppp. my #1 patient fave a cali kush blend only hits 1-2 oz per 3 ft a month veg and two flower is 400 in electric and can maybe fit six under a 1000w so theres 6-12 oz only for 400 so low ball it cause its hott this year and i dont crank up ac to add to my yeild and i get 6 oz from my 400. my Lb would cost just short of 1200, 2 oz for me. that dont include sundries, testing equip, supplies, medium on that is an easy 40-80. good quality nutes another 60 the cost of light bulbs 180/4 waps per light per year adds up quik.

when a collective is ran as a business, to keep records is a legal necessity. then you come to realize what everything cost and to keep good records requires an accounant (that costs) lawyers to cover your ass, cause its not if but when it will need to be covered (more overhead) all the while this hiring creates jobs and contributes tax dollars cause i cant do everything nor am i a lawyer or accountant. and these just scratch the surface.

what i get in a nutshell is that you sell your meds for 200 dollars a half LB (cali limit) and you still cant get patients to sign up with your collective instead of others despite their having much higher prices. and in your case y would it matter unless you were profiting.

[kodesh]

... With a prescription, it should be the same as getting any other prescription filled: legal, hassle-free (for the most part), and affordable. The OP is stating that the Colorado dispensaries are not allowing this to happen, which is enraging.

Bingo!

It really comes down to simple greed. There are a huge influx of new medical patients. I was at the recent Board of Health hearing and they are estimating 15k+ registered by the end of the year. There were about 4k at the end of last year. I don't think the dispensaries were ready for the influx of patients, they ran out of meds and had to go shop wholesale (typically, what, $4k/lb lately?). If they are selling at what I consider street/standard price of $300/oz (correct me here? I'm in the Boulder/Denver/Foco areas), their profit margins just got a lot slimmer than they were used to on the meds they grew themselves.

I'm generalizing here based on my experiences with 3 dispensaries and 2 delivery services, I realize it's not an accurate representation of all caregivers and dispensaries in the state. But my experience has been that as the dispensaries ran out of meds, they either lowered the quality of medication they offered (several times I received seedy/leafy or harsh or mouldy!! meds), or they offer high quality meds at ridiculous prices - for example, I absolutely love Patient's Choice for their clean professional relaxed atmosphere, but $65 for 1/8th is robbery imo.

Now I think you could argue it either way as to which is better for patients, dispensaries raising prices with the market to serve more patients, or should they be turning new patients away so they can afford to supply meds to their existing patients at a reasonable price?

Personally I think part of their obligation as a caregiver is ensure that they can deliver /consistently/ good quality meds at a price the patient can afford, even if it means turning away new business.

[colagal]

Another FYI - as I try to understand the state's interpretation of caregivers and dispensaries, the following was sent to me from the director of the state registrar:

One more question: if a registered patient's caregiver does not have (for whatever reason) available medical marijuana when the patient needs it, can the patient go to a dispensary or grower to obtain the medical marijuana, even though the dispensary or grower is not that patient's primary caregiver? Or does the patient need to wait until the primary caregiver is able to produce what he/she needs? Thanks again.

The response: My understanding is that most dispensaries are requiring that they be listed as the patient's primary care-giver before providing services. You may wish to check with any dispensaries in your area regarding their specific requirements.

It is true that registered patients can buy from any source; however, in order for a dispensary to be legal, it has to have enough caregiver-ships to cover the amount of product they have on hand. In the event the dispensary has extra meds that the patient doesn't use (greater than the allotted 2 ounces, etc., per patient), then it could sell to just registered patients without them naming that dispensary as a primay caregiver. Some dispensaries do this, some don't.

[iusemm]

It is time patients stand up and make the dispenaries realize that they will not survive without us, take away the membership fees, the outragous prices for meds. A reputable dispensary...will also show true compassion for thier patients by charging them according to thier income, not the dispensaries profit margin, in reality it only cost 400.00 to grow a pound of pot, so why are they charging 400.00 an ounce to folks on SSI or SS-DI? Get involved and speak out!!!!

Thank You!! I have been a patient dependant on 'caregivers' since the programs inception. I took out cash advances to pay for my medicine - I think it's crazy to be charging a Patient $400 - we shouldn't be paying street prices. What is the point of appointing someone caregiver?

[GratefulMeds]

The response: My understanding is that most dispensaries are requiring that they be listed as the patient's primary care-giver before providing services. You may wish to check with any dispensaries in your area regarding their specific requirements.

It is true that registered patients can buy from any source; however, in order for a dispensary to be legal, it has to have enough caregiver-ships to cover the amount of product they have on hand. In the event the dispensary has extra meds that the patient doesn't use (greater than the allotted 2 ounces, etc., per patient), then it could sell to just registered patients without them naming that dispensary as a primay caregiver. Some dispensaries do this, some don't.

patients can buy from any source fellow patients, dispensaries or dealers, as long as you have your permit you are protected under the constitution. Contact Sensible Colorado if you want the real facts on Medical Marijuana

[gangagirl]

you are so right

[greenimp]

My biggest problem with all of this is that if someone is acting as a caregiver and growing MMJ then the ENTIRE crop better find its way to the dispensary/patients. Growers out there that are not doing this are taking advantage of the law and the patient. If any part of a crop finds it way to secondary market, and we all know it does, then the grower is breaking the law and the social contract with the patients that allow them to operate.

If I had any say in it I would require all growers to document their crop with either the CO agriculture department, or at least some authority. That and any grow operation should be subjected to OCHA and any other state authorities out there. Some of the operations I have seen have had construction/wireing issues that violate so many building codes its not funny.

Grow operations need to be treated like any other manufacturing operation out there. Period. No exceptions. You guys want this to last, you better do things 100% above board. I'm not saying everyone is at fault, but we all know that the majority of growers are not 100% above board.

[neversummer]

My biggest problem with all of this is that if someone is acting as a caregiver and growing MMJ then the ENTIRE crop better find its way to the dispensary/patients. Growers out there that are not doing this are taking advantage of the law and the patient. If any part of a crop finds it way to secondary market, and we all know it does, then the grower is breaking the law and the social contract with the patients that allow them to operate.

If I had any say in it I would require all growers to document their crop with either the CO agriculture department, or at least some authority. That and any grow operation should be subjected to OCHA and any other state authorities out there. Some of the operations I have seen have had construction/wireing issues that violate so many building codes its not funny.

Grow operations need to be treated like any other manufacturing operation out there. Period. No exceptions. You guys want this to last, you better do things 100% above board. I'm not saying everyone is at fault, but we all know that the majority of growers are not 100% above board.

I cant believe you actually believe this! There are so many people without cards that still need medecine. Not everyone has $300 to get a card, or even knows how to get one. Some people are happy getting their medecine the same way they have for years. Most of these dispenseries are charging more than street prices anyway. What about people that dont have medical records, or maybe their condition is considered treatable by medical marijuana according to CO?

You say growers should be 100 percent above board, but that is ridiculous. All these growers have been breaking the law for years, and according to the federal government, they still are. Grow rooms are not built according to codes, you trip me out. This medical thing is just a loop hole that people have worked years for, and its just one more step to get marijuana legalized. Everyone deserves good medecine, not just people lucky enough to have a card.

According to federal government, weed is still illegal, even if you have a medical card. So everyone is still breaking the law. We need less laws and regulations, not more. Anyone should be able to grow as much weed as they want, and sell to whoever they want, for whatever price they want. That is the American Dream.

And this stuff about charging people according to income is ridiculous. What is this? Socialized weed. Its no one elses buisness how much money I make, and it surely shouldnt determine how much i pay for medecine. What is the point of working hard to make more money, if you have to pay more taxes, and pay more for everything?