Do Not Be Fooled or Lied To by The Dispensaries in Colorado

[Tritech420]

Good day all, I hope all here read the MMJ-News on a monthly basis. As a registered patient/caregiver/dispensary owner I want to let you know that several other dispensaries in this wonderful state have been out right lying to thier perspective patients. I have called several and I get this response, "you must assign us as your caregiver, and you may only obtain meds from us." This is an out right lie!!!!!!! Check out the 2009 Colorado Patients" Campaign @ [url=http://www.cannabisunivercity.webs.com/09copatientscampaign.htm]
as a registered Colorado MMJ patient has the right to obtain meds from any source no matter who your caregiver is!!!! It is time patients stand up and make the dispenaries realize that they will not survive without us, take away the membership fees, the outragous prices for meds, and quit lying to us!!!!!! A reputable dispensary will not require you to sign a contract, pay a membership fee, and will also show true compassion for thier patients by charging them according to thier income, not the dispensaries profit margin, in reality it only cost 400.00 to grow a pound of pot, so why are they charging 400.00 an ounce to folks on SSI or SS-DI? Get involved and speak out!!!!

Tritech420 Reviewed by Tritech420 on 06-16-2009. Do Not Be Fooled or Lied To by The Dispensaries in Colorado Good day all, I hope all here read the MMJ-News on a monthly basis. As a registered patient/caregiver/dispensary owner I want to let you know that several other dispensaries in this wonderful state have been out right lying to thier perspective patients. I have called several and I get this response, "you must assign us as your caregiver, and you may only obtain meds from us." This is an out right lie!!!!!!! Check out the 2009 Colorado Patients" Campaign @ as a registered Colorado MMJ patient Rating: 5

[colagal]

Good day all, I hope all here read the MMJ-News on a monthly basis. As a registered patient/caregiver/dispensary owner I want to let you know that several other dispensaries in this wonderful state have been out right lying to thier perspective patients. I have called several and I get this response, "you must assign us as your caregiver, and you may only obtain meds from us." This is an out right lie!!!!!!! Check out the 2009 Colorado Patients" Campaign @ [url=http://www.cannabisunivercity.webs.com/09copatientscampaign.htm]
as a registered Colorado MMJ patient has the right to obtain meds from any source no matter who your caregiver is!!!! It is time patients stand up and make the dispenaries realize that they will not survive without us, take away the membership fees, the outragous prices for meds, and quit lying to us!!!!!! A reputable dispensary will not require you to sign a contract, pay a membership fee, and will also show true compassion for thier patients by charging them according to thier income, not the dispensaries profit margin, in reality it only cost 400.00 to grow a pound of pot, so why are they charging 400.00 an ounce to folks on SSI or SS-DI? Get involved and speak out!!!!

FYI - There is a point of law to contend with:

(4) (a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:

(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and

(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.

(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's debilitating medical condition.

Consequently (the way I understand it), a caregiver or patient can only grow the amounts that are medically necessary, which usually means only two ounces, etc. However, the law is not clear on how often this medically necessary amount can be in the patients' possession, i.e., every day, every month...?? I am guessing it means how often the patient needs it to adequately address the medical problem? Consequently, in order for us, for example, to legally grow more medical marijuana than we have permission to do so, would require us to be named as caregiver for those registered patients. For us to sell to a registered patient who has not given us legal permission (caregiver-ship) to do so would be unlawful - therein lies the rub: A registered patient can buy from any source, but a grower cannot legally grow for any registered patient without being that patient's caregiver.

Unfortunately, this is a confusing (not user friendly) law both for the patient and caregiver - a chicken and egg dilemma at best, and following the rules is problematic. So, unless the law is clarified (instead of muddied by the state's latest amendment regarding caregivers), and unified with federal law, the interpretation/implementation is wide open, inconsistent, frustrating and potentially fraught with undesired legal consequences.

Fortunately for us, our first two registered patients had faith in our ability to provide them with a medicinally and cost effective product, and named us as their caregiver. And now, five months later, their faith in us has been rewarded.

[Tritech420]

Thanks COLAGAL for the FYI, I understand how many interpret the law and it is very vague. I have been on this program since it was enacted and was patient 35 in the beginning. I have grown for years and as soon as I was accepted with the registry I immediately obtained one of the top medical marijuana lawyers in the state and have worked and obtained advice from Sensible Colorado and my local NORML chapter. I agree with you on the point of the law being very unclear and inconsistent, however what I see going on is dispensaries using the plant numbers of patients to provide for other patients in the form of excess from the original six plants. I have witnessed first hand caregivers growing for 5 patients, producing 4 plus pounds every 60 days with the alloted 15 plants in flower. Approximately 1 pound goes to the original 5 patients at the rate of 2 ounces per month and at a cost of 300.00 to 500.00 per ounce, then the 3 pound balance is sold to other patients at the same cost rate. On the low end this comes out to 44,800.00 every 60 days. This is basically taking advantage of the patients. The other point I was trying to make is that again first hand I have heard and seen this: dispensaries lying to patients about the caregiver situation and basically telling them they have to assign the dispensary as their caregiver and then they make them sign a contract basically stating they may only obtain meds from them and as you said a patient may acquire meds from anywhere. Not to mention the membership fee, what is that all about? I am all for free enterprise and living in America gives us that right, but is it fair to profit from the misery of others, is it fair to charge someone who only gets a 750.00 monthly check 400.00 for an ounce of meds that helps them and keeps them from more harmful drugs? Not only is this a legal issue but a moral issue as well. Thanks Again for your input and I do agree with you on more regulation, but why do we need the government to do something we as caregivers/patients/dispensaries could handle ourselves with a little more honesty and a lot less greed.

[phatsesh101]

it cost more than 400 dollars to grow a pound of top shelf dude that barely covers electric let alone time, nutes,etc. and my time and ability to grow top shelf considering most people cant, constitutes a higher pay scale not tomention the constant worry of being robbed shot killed or thrown in prison for 20 years, my massages needed for stress

have you ever been victim in a home invasion?

if you dont like it grow your own and you deal with the bs that comes along with growing and paying taxes on what you grow.

maybe you should see what really goes into it and not what you see on tv bub

if you can grow six plants, and go to 3 collectives then your essentially growing 18 plants and breaking the law in the eyes of DEA. but all of the colectives need to be raided simutaineusly to prove your beyond your limit and everyone goes to jail but thats in cali.

[colagal]

Thanks COLAGAL for the FYI, I understand how many interpret the law and it is very vague. I have been on this program since it was enacted and was patient 35 in the beginning. I have grown for years and as soon as I was accepted with the registry I immediately obtained one of the top medical marijuana lawyers in the state and have worked and obtained advice from Sensible Colorado and my local NORML chapter. I agree with you on the point of the law being very unclear and inconsistent, however what I see going on is dispensaries using the plant numbers of patients to provide for other patients in the form of excess from the original six plants. I have witnessed first hand caregivers growing for 5 patients, producing 4 plus pounds every 60 days with the alloted 15 plants in flower. Approximately 1 pound goes to the original 5 patients at the rate of 2 ounces per month and at a cost of 300.00 to 500.00 per ounce, then the 3 pound balance is sold to other patients at the same cost rate. On the low end this comes out to 44,800.00 every 60 days. This is basically taking advantage of the patients. The other point I was trying to make is that again first hand I have heard and seen this: dispensaries lying to patients about the caregiver situation and basically telling them they have to assign the dispensary as their caregiver and then they make them sign a contract basically stating they may only obtain meds from them and as you said a patient may acquire meds from anywhere. Not to mention the membership fee, what is that all about? I am all for free enterprise and living in America gives us that right, but is it fair to profit from the misery of others, is it fair to charge someone who only gets a 750.00 monthly check 400.00 for an ounce of meds that helps them and keeps them from more harmful drugs? Not only is this a legal issue but a moral issue as well. Thanks Again for your input and I do agree with you on more regulation, but why do we need the government to do something we as caregivers/patients/dispensaries could handle ourselves with a little more honesty and a lot less greed.

Yes, health care is expensive, and the people operating our health care system profit from the misery (ailments) of others, and certainly some people take advantage. That is the unfortunate reality for those who have a hard time affording decent health care. It is a profit based system...for the most part.

Anyway, if, for example, the new amendment limits caregiver-ships to 5, those selling their excess to others would be in violation of the law, right? Wouldn't that expose these dispensaries to a visit from law enforcement once they got on their radar?...which shouldn't be too difficult. So these dispensaries probably see themselves as taking a big risk for others in need, which, I guess, they want to be compensated for - some more than others, and like you say, some will do so in unscrupulous ways...

Are you able to grow for yourself? I know we have spent more than $3,000 to grow medical grade product for our registered patients. We are a long ways from breaking even, but we need to eventually.

[Tritech420]

it cost more than 400 dollars to grow a pound of top shelf dude that barely covers electric let alone time, nutes,etc. and my time and ability to grow top shelf considering most people cant, constitutes a higher pay scale not tomention the constant worry of being robbed shot killed or thrown in prison for 20 years, my massages needed for stress

have you ever been victim in a home invasion?

if you dont like it grow your own and you deal with the bs that comes along with growing and paying taxes on what you grow.

maybe you should see what really goes into it and not what you see on tv bub

if you can grow six plants, and go to 3 collectives then your essentially growing 18 plants and breaking the law in the eyes of DEA. but all of the colectives need to be raided simutaineusly to prove your beyond your limit and everyone goes to jail but thats in cali.

First thing is I do not watch T.V.
Second is I have to tight of security to worry about home invasion
Third is if you would of took time to read the whole post and put aside your arrogant anger issues you would not have even asked those questions, you really should try to learn more about the knowledge and occupation of those you so arrogantly verbally attack, most of all I enjoy what I do and that in itself makes it the ultimate job, if you are so stressed then you should find another line of work.

[VapedG13]

Dude why even bother with despensaries??? Mabey for the first 3-4 months of your new Med script.

You can order seeds and grow your own then you will never have to worry about what someone is going to charge you ...You will also know how the plant was grown... what ferts where used and what chemicals if any were used.....Nothing better than getting a headache from weed you just purchased because the Grower didnt flush the plants

$400 doesnt even cover 1 month of my electric bill....my dirt cost $40 a bail and I use 3 bails for a crop...my ferts cost $100 per crop...on average per crop I would say $1000-1200 or $300-400 per month is the cost to produce my meds

[Tritech420]

Dude why even bother with despensaries??? Mabey for the first 3-4 months of your new Med script.

You can order seeds and grow your own then you will never have to worry about what someone is going to charge you ...You will also know how the plant was grown... what ferts where used and what chemicals if any were used.....Nothing better than getting a headache from weed you just purchased because the Grower didnt flush the plants

$400 doesnt even cover 1 month of my electric bill....my dirt cost $40 a bail and I use 3 bails for a crop...my ferts cost $100 per crop...on average per crop I would say $1000-1200 or $300-400 per month is the cost to produce my meds

It is obvious that no one truly reads the entire post. I thought I was clear when I mentioned I am a patient/caregiver/dispensary owner so it would be obvious I grow, not only for myself but 9 other patients as well. I grow medical grade bud and have been growing for several years. Not that this matters as it is not rocket science with the right genetics. I grow my allowed plants of 60, 30 veg and 30 flower, my grow costs total 2400.00 per cycle. I am not going to get in to the details due to security issues but I still stick with it only costs about 400.00 to grow a lb of medical grade bud.

[VapedG13]

Your right man.... MMJ patients can survive really good WITHOUT co-ops/deispensaries.....they are there for the people who cant wont or dont know how to grow there own.

I know alot of MMJ people here that grow there own......its better to be self sufficient than dependent.

[psychodelic]

it cost more than 400 dollars to grow a pound of top shelf dude that barely covers electric let alone time, nutes,etc. and my time and ability to grow top shelf considering most people cant, constitutes a higher pay scale not tomention the constant worry of being robbed shot killed or thrown in prison for 20 years, my massages needed for stress

have you ever been victim in a home invasion?

if you dont like it grow your own and you deal with the bs that comes along with growing and paying taxes on what you grow.

maybe you should see what really goes into it and not what you see on tv bub

if you can grow six plants, and go to 3 collectives then your essentially growing 18 plants and breaking the law in the eyes of DEA. but all of the colectives need to be raided simutaineusly to prove your beyond your limit and everyone goes to jail but thats in cali.

I feel like you are defending yourself as a dealer, not a MMJ Dispensary business. If you worked at a MMJ dispensary, I might put more stock in your comment. But the OP clearly stated that their issue is with the underhanded business practices of the MMJ dispensaries in Colorado. With a prescription, it should be the same as getting any other prescription filled: legal, hassle-free (for the most part), and affordable. The OP is stating that the Colorado dispensaries are not allowing this to happen, which is enraging.

I guess I don't understand why your response is to attack the OP? It has nothing to do with you or your personal illegal home-grows. This thread is about the legal Colorado dispensaries. Why even comment? You can't compare MMJ dispensary costs-of-operation to your personal drug-dealing operation.