Selecting a Mother

[phatsesh101]

if shes old you might want to grow one of the cuts out and replace the mum

do you have a veg period ?

my ww was an excellent sog producer 14-20g dry per cola in a one gal with 2 weeks veg, flower under a 400hps in lless than optimal environment, i didnt like her tho made my roids flare.

[oldmac]

if shes old you might want to grow one of the cuts out and replace the mum

do you have a veg period ?

my ww was an excellent sog producer 14-20g dry per cola in a one gal with 2 weeks veg, flower under a 400hps in lless than optimal environment, i didnt like her tho made my roids flare.

My partner had gotten a couple of clones from someone else. We grew out them, took cuts for moms, then flowered the originals. I like the way it grew had lots of potential for SOG size plants. I also liked the short flower time (abt 6 1/2 wks) frosty appearence and it wasn't a bad smoke or vape. Not as strong as the WRhino I do, but nice none the less.

So the mom's I have are not stale, it's just been a bitch to root. This is definitely the result of a poor mom selection in the first place. I know of the guy they came from and he is a grow out a seed or two type. At some point I'll get some other WW to try, I already have a bit going on. After this selection of a Shiva Skunk mom or two, I'll grow out 10 Barney's seeds of Master Kush, plus we have some other seeds to go thru.

[oldmac]

First part on topic: The mother in waitings were getting way too big and needed to get cut back while waiting for original 10 plants to finish blooming.
So scince we were going to cut 'em, might as well clone them. So we took 120 cuttings from abt 30 potential moms and thru them in the clonner....so we may be rooting from all but will probably cut that down when we know which plant(s) become super mom(s).

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Off in shits and giggles land, the only clear pic I got of the last autoAK47 to be harvested.

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[Horsemanrocks]

To me, (newbish) counter-intuitive. I would have momâ??d first, cloned second, then flowered the clones. I see the efficiency factorâ?¦â?¦but isnâ??t it more difficult to take clones from plants already in flower. Teach me master!

I donâ??t care what they say,
Horsemanstillrocks.

[oldmac]

To me, (newbish) counter-intuitive. I would have momâ??d first, cloned second, then flowered the clones. I see the efficiency factorâ?¦â?¦but isnâ??t it more difficult to take clones from plants already in flower. Teach me master!

I donâ??t care what they say,
Horsemanstillrocks.

Let me just recap the sequence here:
1) germinated and grew out the original 10 SS seeds (now tagged A-J)
2) took clones from the originals, at least 2/plant, 3-4 in some cases
3) put the original 10 plants into flower
4) when clones rooted, transplanted to containers (abt 30 plants) and vegged
5) took cuts for clones from these 30 plants (now 120 clones)
and that brings us up to current point.

I could have grown the original seeds, taken clones and flowered those clones while retaining the 10 original plants but; a) wanted to "taste" the original 10 and b) quicker to have "mom's in waiting" so I can get the strain into a production run. Also insurance that there is a least 2 plants from each of the originals so if something happen to one it would not be lost.
It's so much quicker it causes the small problem I had here, what to do with the 30 waiting moms when they got to big during veg...just make more clones.

Hope that clears up any confussion, not sure it will tho . I know I'm still confussed .
These 120 clones are ready to transplant, after I do that and vegged a short while, I hope to get the originals tasted but if not ready I'll select abt 50 to do a run in flower based on the notes showing the best 4 or so originals. Later that will become 1 or 2 mom lines to work from.
Excess plants at this stage I usually do 1 of 2 things; destroy if questionable in any way, pass on excess good plants to other cancer/hospice groups in other towns where I have helped to establish small simple grows for them. In most of these grows people are not interested in keeping moms and clonning etc., they have 1 or 2lights and just need to grow out a few to a bunch of plants. I always have greater cloning capacity then final flower space.

Once this selection process is done, and I start to run batches, I will repeat this process by growing out 10 femmed Barneys' Master Kush and going thru it all again. It takes time to do this whole process, but that's what it takes.

[Horsemanrocks]

Sorry Macâ?¦.my bad. I guess the wait erased my limited memory. It appears that I shouldnâ??t try to â??chew gumâ?� and do anything else at the same time.
Thanks for not reprimanding me to go back and read.

Retardrocks.

[phatsesh101]

i put the seed mothers in also to get an idea of plant growth and stucture but mainly because they tend to need bigger pots then clones.

almost the same thing i do exactly, but I keep the diamond all for myself and only the lesser get released, it gives me a bargaining tool with other growers who dont release genetics.

[oldmac]

Hey Horseman,

That was a legit question by all means, I am more off topic then on, and I even realized I was doing a poor job of sharing additional info. My problem has been the grow logs are at the grow, and if I don't remember too take notes and bring home with me.....well it don't get typed here.

The whole sequence needed to be recapped and I'm glad you asked.


Yo' P101,

Your point about seeing what the originals will do in structure and growth is spot on. Currently we have these original ten at abt 4' tall in the flower room and it is a pain in the ass (plus 2 4' tall "lowryders" sic). I try to never grow that large normally indoors, I'm a strong believer in cuttin em, root em, flower em.

I'm not really passing on genetics to anybody, tho if they wanted too clone them it's fine by me. I was really just making the point that when people see a 120 cloner stuffed, it looks like we are running much larger then we are. I donate the plants to various groups that are involved in providing mmj to people thru certian charitable groups. In my personal grow over 60% is given away to sick or dying people who need it, the rest pays the electric bills and expenses. Just don't want to give the impression I have a large commercial grow going here.

[phatsesh101]

yeah its kind of unfortunate in california our plant limit is 6 and that is great for an outdoor grow but puts me waaay over my weight limit of half pound per person. on an avg of a pound per = 6 pounds

indoor sog is a much more efficient in electric cost and all around, space wise, nutes etc.as an indoor style of grow. but 120 plants is only a single 1000watts light, and might get you a pound and a half with each plant producing on avg of 7 grams per. and when your not making money effiency is priceless

they way i see it is the weight limit keeps me from growing outside, and the plant limit keeps me from growing inside.

I know what you mean people just see a 120 plants not the way theyre grown.

[oldmac]

Update: Last nite marked 6 1/2 weeks in flower for the original 10 shiva skunks, by trichome color (currently all milky with a few amber) they probably could go a few more days....but we've had it, like my partner said last night "I can't stand them tall plants anymore". And honestly they bother me more, just not compatable to the rest of the stuff growing.

So we harvested the original 10, and now they can dry. But we started tasteing...plants C, I, F, J.

"C" was my favorite while growing, the shortest and tightest bud spacing...tasted OK, good representation.

"I" was a fav of both of us growing, shorter then average...tasted very nice, more citrus flavor the "C".

"F" & "J" grew taller but had good bud formation...both tasted good, but we were getting way too screwed up to be objective and tasteing was called off due to it.

We'll try do do some more tonite. :thumbsup: