Second Martian Method attempt

[salmayo]

Long time no see, mother, dog, shake, weez, sal, hope you all had a good year. Anyone see anything about the halloween publication about martian method? Maybe I'm missing it, but I searched around a bit, so a link would be appreciated

The first press release and publication was a bust, the cheapo CD labels let loose (wrinkled, bubbled, separated), so the first batch of CD's was recalled with a hard copy release. Not the worlds most impressive entrance.

A revamped CD may be out fairly soon, we are taking advantage of one delay to multitask some things, encryption, typesetting, etc.

I've tried posting links here they never work. This site seems not to allow links to other sites.

Since I should be arround more now, I should be able to nudge towards available copy sources as soon as can confirm them.

I'll be reviewing content from the 1st edition CD, but I can't post it in whole. In fact I can't even cut and paste from it due to graphic encryption.

And now I think it's time for a ton of questions, oh joy!
(Now the real fun starts!!!)

Take Care, Sal.

[Weezard]

Good to see ya back, Sal
We were startin' to worry.

Aloha,
Weeze

[Dogznova]

And now I think it's time for a ton of questions, oh joy!
(Now the real fun starts!!!).

Are you kidding me... After reading the PAD 1st edition I have a million ?'s..LOL :thumbsup:

The first ? is..... When will timers be available? I need one ASAP

[DreadedHermie]

Hey, Sal--

"Rauber Enhancement is the response between two saturating spectrum durations that occur within ninety minutes of each other, where the responses based on each time duration, rather than a response to an intermediate combination of the spectrum based on the wattages of the two spectrums."

Is there a typo in this sentence?

I think it's supposed to read, "...where the responses are based on each time duration..."

But "...where the response is based on each time duration..." makes sense, too.

As it stands, the second part of the sentence needs a verb. (?)

If this is the final distillation of these research efforts I'd like to understand it correctly.

Thanks, Hermie :thumbsup:

[Dogznova]

Ya hermie... He missed a few words right there... Not sure if it was by design or not. I don't think it was. He's recovering from a broken wrist and since the PAD Manual is encrypted he has to hand type it to the forum and not simply copy and past it. So the typo is understandable. Good eye though. I'm sure he will fix it. I'm not authorized to post any of the copyrighted material so I can't fix it right now...:thumbsup:

[salmayo]

It's nice to know that my title as typo king is still intact!

I concur. GOOD CALL. Thank you for catching that typo. I do make them and we do want to make this understandable (do I have a fun job or what). By all means site what seems off if you see it and I appreciate it.

Let me correct that one:

"Rauber Enhancement is the response between two saturating spectrum durations that occur within ninety minutes of each other, where the responses are based on each time duration, rather than a response to an intermediate combination of the spectrum based on the wattages of the two spectrums." (from chapter 3 of â??Photosynthetic Articifial Darkness, Rauber Enhancement, and Rauber Enhanced PAD. 1st Edition AKA: The PAD Manual. Copyrighted 2009 Shawn Rauber, as a representative of Temporal Photonics and of the author, I have express rights to reproduce this citation of the authorâ??s copyrighted work.)

Dog, you can find Inverters throu Grow Store outlets, but they may be called by other names such as "Flip Flop", "OFF Switchers" etc. As long as people aren't marketting them for our process, that's fine by us and as long as people don't use the process for over a square meter of grow space more power to you! We're only concerned about taking from us deliberately on a large scale, primarily by commercial users like large green house (~industiral use) use. We're pro home grower and 100% Pro Med User. (If you use it for two square meters and we aren't confronted by it commercially, why would we ever care!)

You can use two or three half hour or fifteen minute timers without an Inverter, but you have to make sure that the Far Red duration of one timer goes ON at or just BEFORE the (Red) PAD timers go OFF, and without an Inverter, any change in the synchronization can through the Rauber Enhanced PAD (REPAD) Time Factor (1/RATE) off, which can acts like your timer is off by up to hours not just half an hour as time lag piles up over hours of operating at the different Time Factor (1/RATE, ~Time Rate).

I've been pitching Rauber on just putting out CD's without labels. I think he'll go for it considering it's about information not CANDY WRAPPERS, but it's a sore topic after hearing one rattle inside a CD player like a Buzz Bomb (Heart Breaker).

In the mean time, just bear with me on bits and pieces.

I'll reread the last few posts to see if I missed anything.

Take Care, Sal.

[salmayo]

How's the read on the manual going? (Great, horrible or Nightmare??)

I personnally hate what that encryption makes the fonts look like. It's getting fixed in the 2nd Edition and other than some expansion, the 2nd Editon will also have an index if all goes well.

Take Care, Sal.

[Dogznova]

Sal the reading is great.. I've read it at least 10 times..It caused me to change my mind about 660nm...I can tell you my uncle and I would have never figured out that timing arrangement...LOL.... But like I said, Since I now know more of the timing aspect of things. I do have a few questions. Although one of them I think you just answered for me in the previous post.... "Far Red duration of one timer goes ON at or just BEFORE the (Red) PAD timers go OFF".... So no (SID) gaps in between the two spectrums...Sweet I was going to ask this question.. All of my questions will be based on a 3x3 area since this is what my uncle uses, just so everyone knows.

1. Can the PAD far red be black light or dose it have to be 730nm LED? And how much PAD far red wattage is good for a 3x3 area? 1 60 watt black light or more?

Also can I ask questions about the Blue (on time) spectrums and the red (on time) spectrums?


My uncle has a few of those half hour interval timers on hand, The ones that have the half hour pins that are not removable. My uncle used them for a hydro drip system, half hour on half hour off kind of setup. I think the manual talks about using these kind of timers for the (PAD) Red and Far Red synchronization... On the hydro store front. I have seen these type of timers there... C.A.P. ART-DNe Adjustable Recycle Timer... but at $80 a piece at a minimum for one and we need two. I think I'll Waite for a TP timer. In the mean time we will be playing around with the cheep ol half hour pin type timers for sure.:thumbsup:

[salmayo]

I think you just answered for me in the previous post.... "Far Red duration of one timer goes ON at or just BEFORE the (Red) PAD timers go OFF".... So no (SID) gaps in between the two spectrums...

Yes, a SID gap after a Red duration start out acting like Red on time and then SLOWLY goes throu a transition to SID like behavior. And if that wasn't fun enough this kind of thing is sensitive to temperature, pH and secondary genetics.

In this .5/.5 example.

A (short) SID gap following Red acts similar to Red, effectively lengthening the Red duration and shortening the Far Red duration in terms of plant responce, making the plant go slower. The overlap in Red plus Far Red acts as a third mixed spectrum duration depending on wattages.

A (short) SID gap following Far Red acts similar to Far Red, effectively lengthening the Far Red duration in terms of plant responce while subtracting from the Far Red duration, making the plant go slower. The overlap in Red plus Far Red acts as a third mixed spectrum duration depending on wattages.

Small wonder we recommend Inverters rather than the lesser of these two evils.

Your other questions:

1. Yes, you can use Incandescent Blacklights for Far Red sources. How much wattage is determined by your canopy depth, but plant hight is the easiest thing to measure and use. Check the Intensity Chapter on Minimum Intensity recommendations it should cover it, but if it still isn't clear, post me and I'll review the chapter for you in my responce.

The other questions:

Blue spectrum data is provided to help growers understand "Day" lighting spectrums and is basically needed for secondary the photoperiodic timing considerations. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "(on time) spectrums", could you clarify that a bit so I can be a little specific. Not quite sure what the question was there (it'll probably come to me later).

Yep, those half hour timers are the most common kind, that's why we use them as a standard in the manual.

Those cycle timers on the other hand are an over price nightmare to use. Not recommended.

Take Care, Sal.

[Dogznova]

Hi sal.... Looking more closely at my copy of the PAD manual.. It looks like mine got cut short in the email. It stops at chapter 9 Advanced Rauber Enhancement Flowering.
I think my questions would be much more limited if I had chapters 10,11,12,13... Could you maybe resend those chapters to me in my email...Thanks:thumbsup:

BTW.. Great explanation on the SID gaps between the PAD red and far red spectrums...Thanks