thanks for the reply... just want to clear something up ...if my spelling or typing seems to be missing a letter its due to this damn laptop not keeping up with my typing lol but about the plants i will be transfering later today when company gets the hell out of my house... im gonna use your steak knife idea! i am hoping i dont fuck this one up lol but im confident enough to do it so well its early as balls for me to be awake on my day off...and i smell the beautiful smell of coffee... i will return later in the day and thank you for the posts