Agreed. Im going to try and revive these little ones. Going to get a dome in the morning and see what I can work. Not going to give up, and I see where your coming from about doing it which everway, it only sounds like those things would make for stronger and more successful cloneing, and again, you learn from doing, and sometimes have to find out only by doing so, im doing lol. I got pissed today and took them out. Left them in the kitchin on the table, will throw em back in in the morning. Thank for the imput Shake, I appreciate it.