HID & LED

[oldmac]

Horseman, the HGL site hasn't been updated in months. If you attempt to order any products directly through that site, you will see either an "out of stock" or "discontinued" notice. Been like that since before I started building my own light. I know this because I was gonna build a couple of 50 watt kits myself, so I started watching to see when I could order. (This was, again, months ago.) Finally got tired of waiting and built from scratch.

Hermie,

Thanks for updating me on that, I knew Ryan was getting out of the 5mm business and concnetrating on the hi power Cree's. Did not realize the 50watters where not available yet.

NOTE: The amp draw given for the 50w is a typo, it probably should be .42!

[oldmac]

Hey Horseman,

There's nothing wrong with being a cheap bastard, especially in this day and age. I myself have gotten very frugal, since I went broke. The only reason you see me playing with some expensive lights is I bought them when times where much better for me. In fact I had a couple of Porcyons up till a few months ago when a opportunity arose to sell them. Back to a 400w MH for my mom room, which the Procyons did for 1/2 the wattage.

Thought the UFOs might be less expensive. Looking at Ebay I noticed the same prices as Weez, plus with the HPS you don't need to worry about those "tri-bands" one which seem to cost more. Noticed also alot of them now are using 660 reds, and that's a good thing.

[Weezard]

"(How 'bout your light DH?
Had enought time to compare it to your HPS grow yet?)
DHâ?¦..huh?"

Sorry, that was an aside to DH, (DreadedHermie).
He built an array of 6. 15 W. 660nm. and 2. 15W blue Ledengin emitters and replaced his HPS with it.
It's been in service longer than my new array has.

"But the heat is still created and still needs to be removed. (I never quitâ?¦.do I). Donâ??t get me wrongâ?¦You be daâ?? man.

Denied! I be da t90 'zard.
Bein' "da man" is too much like work.

If the UFOâ??s are even close to equal to 600W Hidâ??s , then I donâ??t really need that much light. 600 X 2 + 250 1450 watts in 12 ½ sq ft.

Apples n Oranges, brah.

Thatâ??s only 116 watts per sq ft. You can see that I havenâ??t completely given up on smaller flanking Ledâ??s. If there was a quality Led in the 50W range (at a reasonable price) Iâ??d still be considering that option.

You can DIY a 65W. light from off-the-shelf parts if you wish.
It is easier than it looks.

Can you have too much light?"

Yes!
Noon sun in Hawaii exceeds 91k lux.
At about 91k., (solar spectrum of cuss), photosynthesis stops and plants stop growing.
Kick it up a notch and leaves will "bleach" and reject/reflect all light.
From 2" away the 15W. emitters will give ya white polka-dots on yer top leaves

Now, I'll go rummage about on "da bay", for an honest UFO dealer.
Where'd I put that Diagones lamp? Aha! Here 'tis.

Be back wiki wiki, (with any luck).
Weeze.

[Weezard]

Here's the folks that I ordered from.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-90W-LED-UFO-Hydroponic-Lamp-Grow-Light-Free-Post_W0QQitemZ220355104480QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_2?hash=item334e300ee0&_trksid=p3286.c0 .m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3 A1%7C240%3A1307%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Call themselves tinybearshop.
Shipped fast and no shipping charges.
It's a decent copy of the original UFO.
625nm. red but it does veg very well.

Enjoy.
Weeze

[Horsemanrocks]

Alright Iâ??m back
Damn, someone at the doorâ?¦..back in a flash.
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Whew, it was only the IRS claiming that I owed them lots of money. I was afraid it might have been the â??pimpinâ?? copsâ?�â?¦..You DONâ??T want the pimpinâ?? cops at your door. Donâ??t worry though WeeZard, I would never rat you out. Your secret is safe with me, but Iâ??m not so sure about oldmac and that dreaded Hermie guyâ?¦.keep a close eye on those two.

I very much appreciate you looking out for me. Iâ??ll go take a look!

Mahalo nui loa
Aloha
Haole Horseman

[Weezard]

Gave me a chuckle dere, paniolo guy.:lol5:

Mahalo nui,
Wee Zard

[DreadedHermie]

NOTE: The amp draw given for the 50w is a typo, it probably should be .42!

But I think he meant it. I just looked at the specs closer, and this is just a populated 12V led harness with no power supply. Ryan was recommending a computer ATX to power the unit. Doesn't say whether any kind of current control is integral in this offering, or whether you have to figger that out fer yerself, or what. :wtf:

Anyway, if you power it with 4.2 amps at 12 volts, that comes out to 50.4W. Pretty sure that's what he meant.

I've got 4.7A powering 4 x 15W reds @ 10.6V. (calculates) = 49.82 watts. In the ball park, anyway....

But, again, it's a moot point. Ya can't get this item, and I would expect his next offering, if there is one, to use higher powered leds. And if it's a DIY kit, some kinda current control. If you hafta figure that out for yourself you don't need no stinkin' kit!

[DreadedHermie]

(How 'bout your light DH?
Had enought time to compare it to your HPS grow yet?)

Looks okay so far. My bagseed grow flourished with the speed of a stalagmite under HPS, so I can only expect the same from leds.

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[Weezard]

Looks okay so far. My bagseed grow flourished with the speed of a stalagmite under HPS, so I can only expect the same from leds.

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Gorgeous!:greenthumb::greenthumb::greenthumb:

No amber leds, no UVb, no supermonsterbudliquidlightbatshitthrivearoonie?
Just a splash of blue light, a metric shitload of deep red and some attention, yah?

Gee golly whiz, Mr. science. Can I try this at home?:tin foil hat:
Can I , huh?

Impressive!
Weeze

[Horsemanrocks]

Hermieâ?¦..my local dump has a separate section for electronics. Computer power supplies move through there all the time. I wouldnâ??t be surprised if it wouldnâ??t be possible to spirit some away or at worst pay a very small price for them. If youâ??re interested Iâ??ll look into it.