HID & LED

[Horsemanrocks]

Iâ??ve followed a lot of Bucket tutorials and a recurring problem for many is roots clogging drain lines. I havenâ??t come up with any foolproof ideasâ?¦..yet. So far the best that I can come up with is a layer before the ebb & flow filter. Brass screen is available. Any ideas on the use of brass and the compatibility with the all the nutrient chemistry going on.
Would aquarium silicone be the appropriate glue?

May your buckets always drain,
Horsemanrocks.

Horsemanrocks Reviewed by Horsemanrocks on 06-17-2009. HID & LED Iâ??m in the planning stages of a DWC. It looks like itâ??s going to be 6 buckets. The grow room is 5 feet wide by 2 ½ feet deep. Iâ??m contemplating a 250W HID in the center with 1 GrowPanel 45 at each end. Hereâ??s a link for the LEDâ??s led grow lights -Sunshine Systems : The GlowPanel 45 LED Grow Light I need some heat as I live at altitude and the winters get quite cold and Iâ??m not really interested in supplying supplemental heat just for itâ??s sake alone. And the summers get Rating: 5

[Weezard]

Sorry, bro.
Ah dunno, 'bout ebb an' flow.

Thought you were doing DWC.:stoned:

Nevermind,

Weeze

[Horsemanrocks]

Sorry WeeZard I was referring to the Bulkhead fitting (drain) at the bottom of the bucketâ?¦.often sold simply as an ebb & flow fitting. Even with the e&f filters some folk complain about roots growing all the way back to the controller, plugging up the drain and overflowing the bucket. Thought that I might get in a second line of defense with an additional screen. Iâ??ve certainly got plenty of time to let the â??glueâ?� dry. Just wondering if brass could get along with the nute chemistry.

Thanks,
Horsemanrocks.

[Weezard]

Sorry WeeZard I was referring to the Bulkhead fitting (drain) at the bottom of the bucketâ?¦.often sold simply as an ebb & flow fitting. Even with the e&f filters some folk complain about roots growing all the way back to the controller, plugging up the drain and overflowing the bucket. Thought that I might get in a second line of defense with an additional screen. Iâ??ve certainly got plenty of time to let the â??glueâ?� dry. Just wondering if brass could get along with the nute chemistry.

Thanks,
Horsemanrocks.

I fooled with E&F, (well, more of a flow n flow, actually) for a while, but used a submerged pump and I'd wrap the pump in the toe of a nylon stocking, set the flow to "just barely", and let it drip all day. It worked, but was noisy and the roots do eventually, foul the pump.
Found out that I didn't need the flow at all and the bubble splash lured the roots into the roiling water where they flourished.
That wide leafed lady in my album grew in one of those bubba-buckets. Got too big, too fast.
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Got one in a bucket now that's getting out of hand.

<sigh> it's always somthin'.
Weeze

[Horsemanrocks]

I called a tech at GH to ask about any reaction between brass and their nute chemistry. She told me that they use steel screens for the same purpose. So I suppose next time I canâ??t find the plastic fitting that I need, there are increased options.
Weezâ?¦if you work any other sites with personal messaging, I would love to know. I gotsme uh idear. Must respect the rulesâ?¦.must respect the rulesâ?¦.must respect the rules.

Iâ??ve â??worn a lot of hatsâ?� in life, all of them building (creating) something. This grow room project is so much fun I can hardly believe it. I see a lot of posts from people only interested in the end result and missing out on the journey. I suppose thatâ??s what being an old guy is all about, but Iâ??m most definitely enjoying the ride. Iâ??d post pictures, but pictures of empty netpots donâ??t cut the mustard in this company. Itâ??ll be a while yet until thereâ??s something inumâ??.

Sorry for gettingâ?? off subject Ms Stinkyâ?¦â?¦.please, please, please donâ??t delete me.

As always,
Horsemanwaits

[Weezard]

I called a tech at GH to ask about any reaction between brass and their nute chemistry. She told me that they use steel screens for the same purpose. So I suppose next time I canâ??t find the plastic fitting that I need, there are increased options.
Weezâ?¦if you work any other sites with personal messaging, I would love to know.

ICMag.
Or, google me.

I gotsme uh idear. Must respect the rulesâ?¦.must respect the rulesâ?¦.must respect the rules.


Iâ??ve â??worn a lot of hatsâ?� in life, all of them building (creating) something. This grow room project is so much fun I can hardly believe it. I see a lot of posts from people only interested in the end result and missing out on the journey. I suppose thatâ??s what being an old guy is all about, but Iâ??m most definitely enjoying the ride. Iâ??d post pictures, but pictures of empty netpots donâ??t cut the mustard in this company. Itâ??ll be a while yet until thereâ??s something inumâ??.

Sorry for gettingâ?? off subject Ms Stinkyâ?¦â?¦.please, please, please donâ??t delete me.

As always,
Horsemanwaits

Oh, a waiter! nyuk X3.

Ms. Stinky no gonna harsh yer mellow, brah.
She's a very cool head.

I'll see ya on da udder side.
Where martinets dey no abide.


Weezard who waits not a lot.:jointsmile:

[oldmac]

Hello again Horsemanrocks,

I have a metric shit load of scientific papers dealing mostly with C3 plants in general, some hemp related and just a couple for mj. Unforgently they where collected 3-4 years ago when I was on a horticultural kick and are stuck in my old computer. I just spoke with my oldest grandaughter who's home from college for the summer and she has agreed to try and help me retrieve them, somehow. (she's the only one in the family I can trust)

The science I referred to was from Rutgers U, where they isolated the tops and roots, then did various CO2 experiments. The short story is they found when CO2 was just introduced to the roots, leaves started to give off oxygen and some growth was noted. Very little growth but some. I don't think it is too far fetched to think roots can use co2, but does it add anything worthwhile for increased growth, I'm not sure.

And if I can retrieve some of my collected scientific papers, you'll all be sorry....
probably throw me off the porch for stinkin' the place up with academia fertilizer.

[Weezard]

Fascinating!:thumbsup:

Been feeding in CO2 through a 1/4" hose right at da base of da DWC bush.
Wouldn't be a chore to pop a nice, clean, airstone on 'er and den, it's just a drop in da bucket, yah?
I'll have to try dat on a jug of nuted water to see what it does to da PH over time.
I think carbonic acid is relatively weak and I usually keep 5.2 - 6.2 anyway.
I figure most will bubble right through and be avalable to the foilage 'cause I run enough air through my buckets to approach the gas absorbtion capacity of the water.
What does dissolve should be rapidly displaced, and some will hopefully, be used by the roots.

Mahalo, Mac.
This is my "kine sing"!
Another "half-baked", no-budget, adventure!:jumphappy:

I owe ya one, bro.
Hope you no gonna stink da joint up wit' math though.

"I'm oft' to be da lizard,
A thunderfilled lizard at odds"

Weeze

[Horsemanrocks]

Mac, always good to hear from you. I appreciate you going out of your way to school a country boy. You managed to lose me immediately with C3 plants. I Gaggled C3 and I donâ??t know anything now that I didnâ??t know when I started. We need to get something straight before we beginâ?¦..If you expect that this means that Iâ??m gonna take back all the names that Iâ??ve called youâ?¦â?¦â?¦.???

While I hadnâ??t planned to CO2 as a Newb, although the time spread for me will be enough that a little â??discressionary spendâ?� may just come my way between now and then. My buckets will be empty enough to toss in another airstone if the conditions warrant. I suppose that the CO2 could only improve the overall environment. As they say â??nothing venturedâ?¦..never a brazillionaireâ?�

And if I can retrieve some of my collected scientific papers, you'll all be sorry....
probably throw me off the porch for stinkin' the place up with academia fertilizer.

I have a fix for thatâ?¦.highlight textâ?¦.right click, scroll down, select deleteâ?¦..left clickâ?¦.all done.

Señor Weeze

I'll have to try dat on a jug of nuted water to see what it does to da PH over time.
If you get a result on thatâ?¦.post it, por favor.

I signed up at ICMagâ?¦.need 50 posts to gain PM privilege. Been following a couple of threads over there. one that Iâ??ve been meaning to add to in particular Blazeoneupâ??s recirc DWC tutorial (about 26 pages)â?¦.Iâ??ll try to add to that this coming week sometime. Also watching BigTokes bio-buckets, (only about 51 pages) Itâ??s interesting how his command of language improves when he getâ??s into the thecnical stuffâ?¦..wonder who writes it for him. Hahahahaâ?¦.sometimes learning comes from unexpected sources!


I figure most will bubble right through and be avalable to the foilage 'cause I run enough air through my buckets to approach the gas absorbtion capacity of the water.
I did run my airstones (6â?�) a littleâ?¦.they looked a little less than I expected. The pumps are rated at 1.4 psi (seems a little weenie to me)â?¦..I have already considered a hard line back to the big compressor in the shop and regulators arenâ??t expensive. (my eye says that somewhere between 3-4 psi would be an improvement) Any expansion on the idea of absorption capacity will help with the decision. (canâ??t imagine that a 5gal bucket with a 6â?� netpot could hold any more than 3-3 ½ gal) I did decide on recirculating DWC with the idea of double redundancy. ( I didnâ??t select a huge pumpâ?¦.didnâ??t see why) That saidâ?¦.learning more about the subject would be â??cool dudeâ?�!

Hope you no gonna stink da joint up wit' math though.
Yeah, easy on the math!


"I'm oft' to be da lizard,
A thunderfilled lizard at odds"
As hard as this is for me to sayâ?¦â?¦some people just shouldnâ??t sing!

Hahalalohaâ?¦.in pidgin I think that meansâ?¦.thankyouyouâ??rewelcomegoodbye
Horsemanrocks

[oldmac]

Hey Horseman,

Plants are broken down into three classes based on thier photorespiration process. The majority are C3 and include most fruits, vegatables and wheat. C4 plants include corn, millet and sugar cane. And then there's CAM plants that are kinda C4 but are more efficent in certian areas and include catus and pineapples.

BTW: you can get a message to someone on these boards by going to thier profile, and if they have a picture album you can leave a comment about a pic or anything else after clicking on a picture. (Learned that from DutchPimp)I just left a comment for Weezard that way, just now.