ah thanks for those tops RT, first thing monday morning i will get one of those pond PH test kits and give it a try. infact i might see if they are open tomorrow as i have to travel past that store anyway. any results i will post back here
the leaves that have curled under feel like leather and are pretty tough but are also really dark green (something ive never seen before) and with many of the leaves disformed was making life hard to fault find but im pretty sure that your right and that its the ph to blame.
our water supply here isnt that good at all and the last 2 years its started to smell more like bleach which isnt good at all. i wouldnt ever drink from it unless it was boiled first if plants had toes they would have curled upwards too by now after drinking our tap water