thanks oldmac! and i'm sorry for the wiki answers. i don't have near enough knowledge to speak first-hand, either way. the debate just sparked my perpetual curiousty (especially on this subject!) so i did a limited amount of research and felt that what was found contributed positively on the subject.

i am aware the sometimes my eagerness to chime in is not the best thing. i just can't help it!

so the way i look at it is, that because of the difference of opinion i was intrigued to go do some research on my own and learned a bunch (and peaked my curiosty and drive to find more information further)! so either way, regardless of point of view, fact or opinion, i learned somthing, and ya'll are pretty much directly responsible. so ya'll taught, i learned. isn't that the reason that we are all here?!

keep on posting and i'll keep on reading (you too rusty!)!


-shake