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05-10-2009, 07:30 PM #15
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To me the thought of things existing from nonexistence, and living things arising spontaneously from nonliving things is just as intellectually impossible and completely beyond all logic as the virgin birth is to you. This may come from having played with legos extensively as a child, and if I had ever opened the package and found one already assembled there is no way I could be convinced that it happened during shipping instead of being done by a person in the lego factory. And the only argument I have heard to refute that line of reasoning was that the smaller blocks came together first and they had physical properties which made them more likely to combine into more complex structures, again purely spontaneously. To me that doesn't solve the fundamental logic problem involved, no matter how many levels of increasing simplicity are traced back.
I know however, that it is reasonable and logical to you (not the lego story, but that life originated spontaneously), and I believe you are as intelligent or more so than I am, so I am forced to accept the possibility that there is no God, although I don't see any logical fallacy in my belief that what exists is extant solely because it was manufactured by a being either omnipotent or what we would think is omnipotent compared to our own abilities to create things. But I have no doubt that it works out for you, and you have very sound, intelligent, and rational reasons to believe what you believe.
There's another level of belief though, which I think I can describe best using the story of Jonah and the fish. It strains my faith to think that he lived inside a sea creature for three days. But that's not the point of the story. The point was that it foreshadowed the burial and resurrection of Christ, he was gone from the human world for three days and when he came out he helped the people of Nineveh come back to a humane and decent way of life, whereas according to the story they had been in a state of disarray like what we see in Somalia or Sudan today. Then later we have Christ, who did for humanity universally what Jonah did for Nineveh specifically. And they both asked God to let them escape from their mission in life. So the whole thing about did he or didn't he live in a fish isn't even what that story is telling us.
So I don't necessarily have to deny all logic to use it as my spiritual framework, because the physical possibilities are quite irrelevant to the actual message. I think the virgin birth conveys the point that Christ wasn't put together the same way as other people, and not literally meant to be an anatomical explanation of how Christ developed as a fetus. I hope this doesn't have a logic flaw embedded in it that I'm not seeing, and if it does I will appreciate it being pointed out.
I hope I have convinced anyone reading this that there is nothing stupid or illogical about being a Christian in the true sense of the word, just as I don't think there's anything stupid or illogical in atheism. I just can't grok it personally, which in the end could just be a failure of my own mind.
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