This Is Evil and Must Be Stopped Immediately

[JD1stTimer]

How the hell can they put an FLIR on a car when you have to have a warrant to use FLIR? I guess you could use it, but you couldn't use that as a justification for detainment or search. The courts have been clear on this, FLIR is tantamount to a search. Oh well, our country is fucked anyway. They will do whatever they want, what can we do to stop it? Shoot them? The government has more and bigger guns. I think we all know by know that we have a monster on our hands and it will never, ever, ever stop feeding off of us and growing exponentially. The fucking hydra.

[higher4hockey]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is extremely hypocritical of you :jointsmile:

actually my friend, it is not. i am a law abiding citizen in every aspect of life. (in other words, i don't smoke, used to, but not anymore)

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i'm not arguing with you hockey, but the speed limit isn't the only thing to get you pulled over!

the government uses everyday things to step in and take our rights away. they don't care about the people of this country. prisions are a multi-billion dollar a year industry. that's another reason legalizing weed is a problem.

it is OUR job as citizens, to get rid of this rapidly forming totaliarianistic government that is forming. i know i keep saying it, but our fore fathers GAVE us this right in the decleration of independence.

if our government is not for us, we have the right to overthrow that government and put a new one in place for our future security!

using FLIR does not require a warrant. if they use it to use what they find then yes, a warrant is necissary. but they can come up with a reason to pull you over/knock on your door once they see what comes up on the FLIR. cops can and will lie to you! there is no law against this. you, however cannot lie to the law. once again, something up to us to change!

we are in for civil war. you can only keep a foot on someones head for so long. and when you start to step harder those people start to get scared. and everyone knows what happens when you back a dog into a corner.

nice post there fake boobs! thanks for the info. another sad day in this country.


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[JohnnyZ]

actually my friend, it is not. i am a law abiding citizen in every aspect of life. (in other words, i don't smoke, used to, but not anymore)

Damnit I hate when I'm wrong.

[JD1stTimer]

I know they do use FLIR without a warrant, and they have to make up some other kind of excuse for a search. But check the 2001 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in Kyllo v. United States.

That's why I don't understand having such a system built into the car. It is almost like a guarantee of the officer violating the constitutional rights of the slavizen. They're not normally so open about breaking the law. But these days I guess they don't even feel the need to cover their butts. After all, when they get sued who gets to pay their legal fees? It's not out of their own pockets or the department budgets for damn sure. It is paid for by you and me. I'm about sick of this country. Too bad almost every other country has even less freedom and privacy than we do. Maybe Spain is a decent place, I dunno.

[video100]

Man fuck the police, all they do is give good people criminal records for breaking crazy laws like having drugs, driving after drinking a fair amount of alcohol, riding on unregistered license plates, self defense, etc. I say there shouldn't be any police, just let everyone have the right to carry a gun and I believe that people will think twice about trying to do something wrong because of the fear of being shot

[jimmy8778]

one of the worst things is that this car is designed to do the work that maybe a few hundred cops are supposed to do. but all at once. now thats cool and all. i even like the idea, not a popular notion, i know.

but my only concern is that when you have a car that can do more work for the people, do you still need as many people. i would be fine if the piggies got the car, but if they keep multiplying, those bastards, then therein lies the issue. if they got rid of most of the cops and maybe had 1 or 2 of these, fine, i could care less, but these are designed to be mass produced and used in number. which is stupid. if a factory worker loses his job cause a robot does it better then shouldnt the fucking pig cops have the same thing happen to them, or are they above the law and economy, look who runs the country now.

[Trip06]

if you obey the law you don't have anything to worry about. i drive the speed limit, crazy high speed cop cars don't worry me.

Except for them bankrupting our country and converting to a police state....yeah theres nothing to worry about.

Ill just go back to playing Half life the Combine isnt real.......yet.

[higher4hockey]

the combine....is that a 'one flew over the cuckoos nest' reference?

[Light It Up]

Man fuck the police, all they do is give good people criminal records for breaking crazy laws like having drugs, driving after drinking a fair amount of alcohol, riding on unregistered license plates, self defense, etc. I say there shouldn't be any police, just let everyone have the right to carry a gun and I believe that people will think twice about trying to do something wrong because of the fear of being shot

yes chitterlings: the government is pure evil, any person regardless of drunkenness should have the right to drive a 2000-pound hunk of metal moving with enough force to annihilate a human being.


ok now guys, seriously? Yes it's a bitch that weed is illegal, yes everyone here has probably gotten shit from a dick cop, but the fact that they have more efficient license plate readers does NOT mean they can use them for malevolent purposes. They are built, from what I understand, to find outstanding tickets and traffic violations - this is, believe it or not, a service designed to protect people.

If you drive drunk or go 90 in a 45, your chances of getting in an accident and therefore of hurting/killing people are dramatically higher. If you have outstanding dui's and speeding tickets, maybe that hints that you should not be driving, regardless of whether you actually obey the rules when around police.

Yes, I believe in one's power to change, as in if you have tickets, violations, whatever in your past you shouldn't be judged for them, but that's not what this system does. This is a good thing in my mind - if they see my car and see I have no unpaid tickets, etc. I'd rather be judged by that than whether I have tints in my windows or chrome rims (not that I do, but I know plenty who've been subject to being pulled over for riding dirty).

Next, armored cars. Yes, cops don't get shot at in their cars that much, but put yourself in the position of someone who wants to help his/her community, preserving order and stopping crimes. He/she lives in a rough city, where some serious stuff happens. Maybe he/she decides that they don't want to take the risk of dying trying to do what they think is right.
Now, let's take Mr. action hero who also wants to be a cop. He's ready to take the risk - he's not as worried about being shot at because he wants to kick some ass "in the name of the law." The first person is, in my mind, the type much less likely to bust you for chilling smoking a J somewhere than the second. That aside, I want more of the first type of cop than the second, and if that means making the cops' job a little safer than that is a sacrifice perhaps worth taking.

Most police, despite the occasional slip-ups and enforcement of laws outside of their control for which members of this forum seem to crucify them, are trying to protect citizens from different forms of harm. When this comes to driving, I take it very seriously - if you drive when you're drunk and don't care, you will ALWAYS be the bigger asshole than the cop that arrests you, even if you were driving within the traffic norms. Again, most people simply don't recognize the sheer quantity of destruction one can inflict with any motor vehicle (perhaps motorcycles aside) - for every 100 trips you make drunk and get home just safely, perhaps there's just that 1 where another driver, a cyclist, or a pedestrian is somewhere they shouldn't be and you're unable to react as fast as you should. When you sign up for a driver's license, you sign up to be a bitch to the legal system; it's for your own safety and others', whether or not you like it.

Now, understand, I am completely against spending $85,000 each on robocop cars with a WMD detectors. Whether they last 250,000 or 70,000 miles, this seems to be an unnecessary commodity. Faster cop cars might allow cops to more effectively neutralize extremely reckless drivers before they take anyone's life, but dammit we spend enough money on this stuff already, do we really need to pour our tax funds into this?

I may seem hypocritical, because while I do oppose this car (if I ever see one of these bizarre monstrosities on the road I'll know it's a sad day), I do see reasoning behind many of its features - and I note the WMD detector is not one of them. However, most of the posts people have made regarding the topic border on paranoia - if there's a license plate reader, it means they'll look through each person's entire life story and then pull them over if they find something they don't like, if they have a bomb sniffer for finding chemical or biological weapons, it means they'll use it for weed, etc. etc. If any of these actually happen, I fully take back all I've said and accept my opinion as wrong, but until one does it's merely speculation based off a very few facts.

I don't mean to flame, but come on, cops are not minions of the devil sent to infringe on liberties and rights. However, I still stand that we don't need cop cars that are decades ahead of current standards for $85k a pop.

I know the government is far from perfect but I'd still rather live in the States than most any other place.