Prepared for the worst- Stinky??

[pfunk211]

I'm just about to give up......

My last grow ended in disaster. By the time I got the fungus gnat infestation under control, my stock had been destroyed. I assume it was a fungus; the leaves spotting, yellowing and dying and the roots, at finish, were brown and withered, not mushy. The cuttings I took from those plants all failed, all 80 of them, every one the same, curled tips and yellowed leaves. There was something that smelled in those domes that I had never smelled before. Rotting, maybe?

Needless to say, I scrapped the whole lot and started anew.
Three weeks into flower and it's like deja-vu; spots on the leaves, yellowing and dying from the bottom up. I've read until I can't read any more, deducing that I've under-fed the ladies or I've over-fed the ladies or I have a pH problem or that they're root-bound or this or that....

I did have a few gnats coming in and out, figured they were camping out in the houseplants so I Bti'd everything in the house with each watering until no more gnats, the little fuckers.

Otherwise, I'm using Fox Farms Ocean Forrest (with which I experienced a bit of nute burn on my seedlings) and adjusting my nute solution to 6.8, feeding 1/4 suggested Alaska Morbloom every other water with one big flush at about three weeks into flowering. Runoff has never been out of range. Under 24 hours of florescent light, they were beautiful. Switched to 12/12 250W HPS, each is turning to shit the same way.

In a hurry, I took cuttings and flowered the mothers right away, not waiting for the cuttings to root. Now, they're failing in the same way I had experienced before, yellowing with ram's horns and that smell (what is it?!). They are ten days old and have been in a humidity dome near 80% humidity, 75-85 degrees F and have had a 65W CFL close enough to keep the temps up and steady. I have lost a few to damping off, they just fell over, but the rest look like they are dying a slow, painful death.

Until my last fail, I had a running 95% success rate with cloning. Now I can't get *one* to root. What am I to do?!?! Is all hope lost?!

Thanks!

pfunk211 Reviewed by pfunk211 on 04-25-2009. Prepared for the worst- Stinky?? I'm just about to give up...... My last grow ended in disaster. By the time I got the fungus gnat infestation under control, my stock had been destroyed. I assume it was a fungus; the leaves spotting, yellowing and dying and the roots, at finish, were brown and withered, not mushy. The cuttings I took from those plants all failed, all 80 of them, every one the same, curled tips and yellowed leaves. There was something that smelled in those domes that I had never smelled before. Rotting, Rating: 5

[pfunk211]

some more of the flowering plants.

they all look great from the top.....

[pfunk211]

and, finally, the cuttings

[pfunk211]

E-indoor
E-soil
E-soil
CSL-Fox Farms Ocean Forrest
SCL-Fox Farm Grow Big, Superthrive, Gnatrol, Blackstrap Molasses
SCLR-runoff, 6.8
E-tap water
E-7.0
E-10weeks, 3 in flower
E-Alaska Morbloom,
E-every other water, once a week
E-flower, 250 HPS @ 1.5 ft. cuttings, 65W CFL @ 1 ft.
E-flower, 65-80F, cuttings 75-85F
E-Flower, 40% cuttings, 70-90%
E-flower 12/12 cuttings 24/0
E-flower, dual in-line with passive intake. cuttings, none
TR-peat pellets, no

[spiked666killer]

Hmm.

Are you keeping the dome for the clones moist, And not the actualle plant it self?

My plants look amazing and Ive never had problems like this.
Id try to help you, But rusty trichrome will probly read this later, "Apparently I dont know what Im talking about"

[pfunk211]

I have been spraying the inside of the lid a couple of times a day with a fine mist and hit the pellets as they dry out, never the cuttings themselves.
I'm also leaving the lid off for a while longer every day to try to encourage them to grow.

[Divestoned]

Hmm.
Id try to help you, But rusty trichrome will probly read this later, "Apparently I dont know what Im talking about"

Rusty has a big mouth,I've seen his pic's he's not that good.I dont think he even HAS a grow log...He just like's to insult people,and make long winded post's with big word's,to make himself look smart.

It look's like a deficiency, which one? Im not sure.I use General Hydroponics 3 part for my plant's,It has all of the trace element's in it.So i never need to worry about what they're not getting.My advice is to try a more well rounded nutrient program.

[mendokid]

I have been spraying the inside of the lid a couple of times a day with a fine mist and hit the pellets as they dry out, never the cuttings themselves.
I'm also leaving the lid off for a while longer every day to try to encourage them to grow.

I have seen and had all of those symptoms you are showing. Unfortunately I wasn't scientific about the cure, so many things could be wrong. In fact I think many things are wrong.

When I got the spots as shown, I suspected a root fungus or heavy nutrient/PH burn. If this is the case, we destroyed the roots and it will take quite some time to repair. If so, foliage feeding is our best shot. If the clones have heavy root damage, it could be as long as a month before they are back. The ones that don't die that is.

You let your clones dry out? Not me.

Those grow bags are convenient, but I would worry about root damage from moving them. For that reason, I prefer cheap rigid plastic pots. That way, root damage is minimized when moved/turned.

Dry? They look dry too. If you are worried about root rot, mist the tops of the soil to prevent drying. In fact, a slightly moist surface will help keep things flowing by "Wicking" the excess moisture up, and allowing water to penetrate down when you do water.

You listed PH for your tap and runoff. What was your Nutrient solution PH? Did I miss something? I have experienced a huge swings in PH using organic ferts. Foxfarm, which I am using now, may be part of the problem as well. Makes me think something is out of whack with their consistency.

That Alaska stuff you are using doesn't have any nitrogen. Even with good soil you should consider a fert with some nitrogen even during the bloom phase. It also may be void of other needed nutrients.

Although your posted temps seem fine to me, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a heat issue. Ambient room temps are lower than what the plants experience directly under the light. Also if there is a root problem then they may just not be soaking up enough water even if the temps are OK.

MY FIX
Is the same no matter what the problem is.

Spray/mist with
1 qt water
1/4 tsp hydrofarm grow
1/4 tsp hydrofarm bloom
1/4-1/2 tsp hydrofarm micronutients

The micro has some calcium (A big issue with tap water), but using a 1/4 tsp of Botanicare CAL-Mag may help too.

Sure the above aren't technically organic but they are all derived from natural sources and purified in a lab. You also want something that will be taken up quickly since you are fixing a problem

[pfunk211]

I didn't mean to suggest that I let the peat pellets dry, or even near dry, completely. Once they start to turn light brown on the top, I give them about 10cc of plain water. I've read, over and over, not to mist the cuttings directly as the roots will be prompted grow in search of water. There are no visible roots yet; my clones are only cuttings so far.

All of the temps taken were from the tops of the leaf canopy, whether in veg or flower room. Greenhouse effect adds about seven degrees F to the cuttings when I cover them with the dome. I'm finding that the cuttings are standing easy with hours of no dome and very low humidity, about 30%.

I'm mostly concerned with the cuttings and getting them to root. If the plants that the cuttings came from have Pythium, as I understand, the cuttings will also have Pythium systemically. If they only have a nutrient disorder, we can fix that pretty easily.

It's pretty hard, though, gauging what is going on by looking at pictures: P deficiency mimics fungus; under-fert looks like fert burn; gnat larvae cause everything to look like everything else.....

I feel like all I can do is keep the variables in check and wait to see if they fall over on me one day. I just hope someone shows up with a "I know what's going on".

I appreciate your time, friends.

[Rusty Trichome]

Which products are you using on both, the clones and flowering ladies?
How much Superthrive are you using for clones? How much for the adults?
Mixing brands is a bad idea. Some doubling and trippling of ingredients is the hazard. (especially with the micronutes and heavy metals...blackstrap molasses can magnify this problem)
Growbags are fine if you never move them around. If you move them around, roots get smashed and broken.
How much molasses, and how often? (look-up the blackstrap ingredients)

Since you are having problems with both clones and adults, I'd look into the additives you are giving.
In the mean time, would stop the Superthrive and molasses till the plants are looking better. (you aren't giving the clones molasses, are you?)
How are you testing ph of your runoff?

Rusty has a big mouth,I've seen his pic's he's not that good.I dont think he even HAS a grow log...He just like's to insult people,and make long winded post's with big word's,to make himself look smart.

Compared to you, who opens his mouth and removes all doubt about his maturity and skill levels? Aww...widdle stoned diver is bummed nobody is asking his expert advise, and feels he has to lash-out at every opportunity. Perhaps it's past nappy-time?

But once an ignorant prick, always an ignorant prick. Get you diagnosis correct every once in a while, and perhaps we won't have to keep correcting inappropriate and sub-standard advise you offer as remedies. I'm still waiting for you to get even one diagnosis and treatment plan correct.

Perhaps you should chose a different hobby, because you really suck at this one, but hey, every class has a clown. And I guess you're it this semester.