Log-3-15 2 seed indoor grow..FIRST

[dmahny88]

Here she(s) is. Just some pics to start this off:thumbsup:
If i can figure out how to post em...

dmahny88 Reviewed by dmahny88 on 04-24-2009. Log-3-15 2 seed indoor grow..FIRST Here she(s) is. Just some pics to start this off:thumbsup: If i can figure out how to post em... http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV7JJmJhttp://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1V1NCJhttp://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq9ELo0http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1V244Jhttp://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV7KhhJ Rating: 5

[dmahny88]

[dmahny88]

So my main worry about this set-up is the amount of light going to my plants. A little about the setup:
2'x4'x8' closet space
2 seeds from bagweed
potted both in a 2 or so gallon pot with MG potting soil moisture control(yeah, i know...)
Lighting:
40W desk lamp; some sort of halide??(from closeup pic above if you can see it sorta well)
a 10000K/15W florescent 14" bulb for aquarium; basically like a day-glow spectrum i think
and some other light that is 15W for an aquarium as well.

Nutes:
adding molasses once every week or so starting yesterday
no other nutes at the time, trying to keep it simple and cheap:thumbsup:

pH
runoff:?
tap:?
hardness:7.7dkm/2.74alk in meq/L
I can test Calcium to..would this be useful? What is a fair alkalinity for the runoff/tap water? Do i need pH tests?

Vent:
1 or 2(haven't added the second yet) small, powerful, computer cooling fans
Low humidity, this is a grow in southern cali close to beach and has good average temps but can get fairly dry later. Plant is moisted with spray bottle 2 or 3 times daily.

Thats basically it. Let them take their own course probably without using nutes. I am trying to keep this ACAP
As CHEAP AS POSSIBLE
While learning as much as possible so SIMPLE is the plan
I don't have to many questions so far although i wish my plant were bigger 5 weeks in, its the lighting i assume, will this just make it a slower grow? Can i still produce a descent quantity with this lighting set up?
As you can see they had a little bit of suffering which happened before i transplanted them to MG soil. The soil i had before was WAY worse and the little girls seem to be starting to take to the new soil. Lights were also moved back down closer to the plants. During the first 2-3 weeks of growth they were ALL about stem growth, possibly a nutrient/lighting problem...
This has been slowed to a stop as well as al other growth when they were dying in the old soil up to know where they are starting to acclimate and root themselves into their new medium. Will they start shooting up and out soon? What should i expect on this and if you're still reading this question, no, you don't have to answer all these questions.
Im total nwb so just putting all my thoughts out there. I will make sure to throw on pics of the *girls*(i hope) as they grow so come back take a look, comment and hey if you feel like it you can answer some of these question^^^:thumbsup::thumbsup:
All right thats all i can think of.
Sup wit it?
Peace:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[BeFree]

That flouro tube might be of use if you had it something like 2-3 inches from the tops of the plants. Go get a couple packs of 6500k CFL's from walmart along with a few 'Y' connectors.



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besafe

one of my bagseed plants under 2 four foot flouro's at 23 days

[justanotherbozo]

BeFree's right, that flouro is way too far away to do any good, plus it's not
a spectrum that'll be of much use at 10000K.

get your local phone book out and look for 'discount builder's supply' or something
like that. when you go, look for vanity light fixtures, i'll post a couple of pics
of one of mine (i bought 4 of them because they were only $4.88 each).

once you have the fixture you'll want to get y-splitters to double the number
of bulbs and those cost between $1.00 and $2.00 each depending on where
you live and where you get them.

like i said, mine cost me $4.88 for the fixture and about $1.50 for the splitters
so lets say $2.00, that makes the total only $13.00 for the fixture.

then, when you go to buy bulbs, you can find the 23wtts and the 26wtts in
3 packs and 4 packs for around $6.00 and you can add them as you need
them and as you can afford them, plus, you can really customize your light
spectra.

hey little brother, i applaud your enthusiasm, but you need to do more research.
if you do, you'll learn a lot faster and you'll ask better questions which will
earn you some respect for being willing to educate yourself to some degree.

[syde00]

wow yeah, you need to get lighting under control... they are stretched ALOT and as you mentioned already are very small for being 5 weeks old..


another problem you are going to have is having 2 plants in the same pot.. the roots will get tangled and they will compete with each other for nutrients and one will have stunted growth and possibly die.

if you are going to grow with floros or CFLs, they need to be like 2-3 inches away from the plants... and the more lights the better

[headshake]

do you even know why you are feeding it molasses?

and do what they ^^^^ said!


-shake

[jakezking]

dmahny88 - I agree with a lot of what has been said above; the primary point you should take is to read and learn as much as you can. Go back through some of the older indoor grow logs on here, and you'll probably learn a great deal. It being your first grow, you are a dry sponge waiting to absorb all that this great forum has to offer, and it has much to offer. Seldom do you get to learn from people who have actual experience - take advantage of it.

Don't get disheartened - you'll encounter problems along the way, and you'll learn from them. Every one of the growers on this board had a first grow - some were successful, others not. But, we normally learn more from failure than from success - it sticks in our minds better (at least in mine).

Glad to see you on here. Get yourself some CFLs as suggested by bozo above - that dude set forth a very good set up for you. And, study up on the nutes - from what I gather about molasses, it's used toward the end of flowering to provide the plant more energy through sugar to metabolize into bud growth/increased flowering, so you don't need it at this early stage. Your main concentration during veg should be on Nitrogen; however, always mix your nutes around 1/4 to 1/2 strength at first so you don't shock the heck out of your plants; normally water with nutes every other watering. Since you have MG soil - be very careful with adding nutes, if you add them at all since MG soil already has many added nutes. Again, the key is not to over nute. Agree with syde too in that your plants need to be in separate pots.

Keep your chin up, and learn as much as you can. Mostly though - enjoy your grow, my friend! Growing weed is an awesome and rewarding hobby. I get much fulfillment from growing, and I hope you will too.

[dmahny88]

Original Post-ish(condensed)
So my main worry about this set-up is the amount of light going to my plants. A little about the setup:
2'x21/2'x8' closet space
2 seeds from bagweed
potted both in a 2 or so gallon pot with MG potting soil-moisture control
Lighting:
40W g9 halogen bulb
a 10000K/15W florescent 18" florescent

Nutes:
none

Vent:
1 3x3 inch cooling fan exhausting the room
1 other 3x3 inch comp fan running inside room creating more circulation

Thats basically it. Let them take their own course probably without using nutes. I am trying to keep this ACAP
As CHEAP AS POSSIBLE
While learning as much as possible so SIMPLE is the plan
I don't have to many questions so far although i wish my plant were bigger 5 weeks in, its the lighting i assume.
As you can see they had a little bit of suffering which happened before i transplanted them to MG soil. The soil i had before was WAY worse but the little things seem to be starting to take to the new soil. Lights were also moved back down closer to the plants as they were before the pics. During the first 2-3 weeks of growth they were ALL about stem growth, possibly a nutrient/lighting problem...
Im total nwb so just putting all my thoughts out there. I will make sure to throw on pics of the *girls*(i hope) as they grow so come back take a look, comment and hey if you feel like it you can answer some questions^^^
All right thats all i can think of.
Sup wit it?
Peace

THE NEW PLAN--B

So we are a little more prepared this time. Finally grubbed the sack and pulled some bills out to do some this up right . Right'n'cheap of course. Only a few changes I made I will describe for you.
Oh and I think I made that orig post make myself sound, i believe, a lot less knowledgeable sounding than I really am. Its really very hard to put any of the theory and words that I have heard and read to action when setting up my own grow when all I am trying to do is simple simple simple; plant a seed in a basic soil, and OBSERVE, nothing more. I don't need this one to be a success as long as I am getting some learning from it which is why I have not reached with my pockets for anything "optional" stuff for this first grow and probably will go about it this way again until I get a better grasp on how these plants like it so I can see how these additional methods(nutes etc) will "improve" or affect my grow.
NUFF SAID
So simple being the key it was still crucial that i did something with the lighting. This was the real achilles heal in my set-up.

PLAN B-This time not using absolutely---WHATEVER I could find around aka lighting, so..

For now I have both plants in a 2 gallons of soil, same pot. They have been in there for 2 weeks now; MG soil, no ferts. I have used the 2'x21/2' space and placed 2 26W/1600 lumens@6500K CFL's in as well as the supplemental 15W 18" florescent light and 40W g9 Halogen bulb. I know this will not/is not enough light for now but money is tight and the grow future is uncertain as with only 2 seeds I am not sure if I have females or not.
Both seedlings are at 6 weeks now, today they are both at equal heights around a foot tall with very little leafage. Hopefully, now, with these veg-CFLs it'll do the trick and boom these plants so we can find out the sexes we got from these 2 seeds. Ill be taking special note to what I saw in the changes I have made thus far since this be my FIRST ever log/grow with a plant that has already given me a lot of learning. A little bit of my bg is in doing coral reef tanks so i guess my thumb has been a bit blue until now, its time to make it a bit green, yes? Im excited to MESS UP and LEARN and LEARN to MESS UP and hope that down the road I will have found pleasure and learned something useful, and cool as long as I get some satisfaction out of it as we all try and do.
So until now, I will be growing the plants both in the same pot until I get the vibe that they are growing their roots into each other then I will transplant one into a second bucket. Updates to come in the future, hold on tight! Are you with me?

[jakezking]

dmahny88, glad to see you back and willing to keep on truckin'. As your first grow will be a learning experience, so will your 100th. The day we stop learnin' is the day we die - then, we just go on learnin' somewhere else.

Just to give you an idea based upon my experience, I have a set of plants that are around 30 days veg, a week or so behind yours. I just transplanted them into larger pots, as they had been in plastic Silo cups with drain holes punched in the bottom. I had transplanted them into the Silo cups only 2 weeks prior. With the background out of the way, after only 2 weeks the roots were seeking to grow out of the drain holes; and, upon transplant virtually no soil collapsed from the roots - meaning the roots had expanded to fill the entire cup.

I illustrate the root expansion to show you that your plants' roots most likely have already become entangled. I've read where some growers have had success with plants in a shared medium; however, it is much easier dealing with separate plants, as 1 may require more nutes, whereas the other may require much less. Also, should your plants outgrow their current 1 gal pot, then root separation at that point may be nearly impossible.

I wish you much luck in your continued grow. Continue to soak up the knowledge and building your experience. Good luck!