Obama says torturers may face prosecution

[kathaksung]

To legalize the torture, government issued document in mid 2002. Then we saw Libi, Zhubadah, and Mohammed were tortured until March 2003 when Bush invaded Iraq. Obviously to force "desired words" from the victime to justify Iraq war.

Here is the story of how Powell used the "desired words" from torture to justify Iraq war.

Bush's 'Smoking Gun' Witness Found Dead
Global Research , May 13, 2009
IndictBushNow.org

A prisoner who was horribly tortured in 2002 until he agreed - at the demand of Bush torturers - to say that al-Qaeda was linked to Saddam Hussein is suddenly dead. Several weeks ago, Human Rights Watch investigators discovered the missing inmate and talked to him. He had been secretly transferred by the administration to a prison in Libya after having been held by the CIA both in secret â??black hole prisonsâ?� and in Egypt.

Under conditions of extreme torture, the prisoner, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, agreed in 2002 to supply the Bush-ordered interrogators what they sought as a political cover for Bushâ??s marketing of the pending war of aggression against Iraq. Mr. Libi agreed to tell them whatever they wanted in exchange for an end to the torture. The now famous Torture Memos providing legal cover for the torture were written at the same time starting in the summer of 2002.

Libiâ??s tortured and knowingly fabricated testimony was the source of information used by Bush to sell the war to the U.S. Senate, and the source for Colin Powellâ??s bogus and lying presentation to the United Nations in 2003.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are now running around saying that the torture regime â??protected the country from terrorist attack.â?� But the torture was used for the personal political goals of Bush and Cheney: namely, to sell their Iraq invasion to a very skeptical and disbelieving country.

Having been discovered by human rights investigators two weeks ago, Mr. Libiâ??s story coincided with the release of the Torture Memos and the growing clamor for criminal prosecutions of Bush officials.

His testimony is the smoking gun that would reveal that the torture regime was not for â??national securityâ?� but for the personal political aims of Bush and Cheney.

He was Exhibit A in the indictment that alleges that tortured confessions and the contrived legal justifications of torture set up by Justice Department lawyers in July/August 2002 were central to the launch of the war against Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died and tens of thousands of U.S. service members have either been killed or badly wounded in a war that was based on lies fortified and promoted by the most sadistic torture.

Mr. Libi is suddenly dead. A Libyan â??newspaper sourceâ?� says that his death is an apparent suicide. His friends donâ??t believe that.

We are building a movement for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor. This is not a political choice. It is a legal imperative. Mr. Libiâ??s death must be the first business of the investigation. When other prisoners who had been kept at secret sites were sent to Guantanamo, the Bush administration and the CIA intentionally kept Mr. Libi from being part of that transfer. Mr. Libi was publicly stating that the Iraq-al-Qaeda links attributed to him from his torture sessions were not true.

â??Who was the beneficiaryâ?� from his death? Why was he spirited away by the Bush administration to hidden foreign prisons after he recanted his tortured testimony and revealed that he was forced to make false statements about Iraq

Bush's 'Smoking Gun' Witness Found Dead

[Islandborn]

To legalize the torture, government issued document in mid 2002. Then we saw Libi, Zhubadah, and Mohammed were tortured until March 2003 when Bush invaded Iraq. Obviously to force "desired words" from the victime to justify Iraq war.

Here is the story of how Powell used the "desired words" from torture to justify Iraq war.

Bush's 'Smoking Gun' Witness Found Dead
Global Research , May 13, 2009
IndictBushNow.org

A prisoner who was horribly tortured in 2002 until he agreed - at the demand of Bush torturers - to say that al-Qaeda was linked to Saddam Hussein is suddenly dead. Several weeks ago, Human Rights Watch investigators discovered the missing inmate and talked to him. He had been secretly transferred by the administration to a prison in Libya after having been held by the CIA both in secret â??black hole prisonsâ?� and in Egypt.

Under conditions of extreme torture, the prisoner, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, agreed in 2002 to supply the Bush-ordered interrogators what they sought as a political cover for Bushâ??s marketing of the pending war of aggression against Iraq. Mr. Libi agreed to tell them whatever they wanted in exchange for an end to the torture. The now famous Torture Memos providing legal cover for the torture were written at the same time starting in the summer of 2002.

Libiâ??s tortured and knowingly fabricated testimony was the source of information used by Bush to sell the war to the U.S. Senate, and the source for Colin Powellâ??s bogus and lying presentation to the United Nations in 2003.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are now running around saying that the torture regime â??protected the country from terrorist attack.â?� But the torture was used for the personal political goals of Bush and Cheney: namely, to sell their Iraq invasion to a very skeptical and disbelieving country.

Having been discovered by human rights investigators two weeks ago, Mr. Libiâ??s story coincided with the release of the Torture Memos and the growing clamor for criminal prosecutions of Bush officials.

His testimony is the smoking gun that would reveal that the torture regime was not for â??national securityâ?� but for the personal political aims of Bush and Cheney.

He was Exhibit A in the indictment that alleges that tortured confessions and the contrived legal justifications of torture set up by Justice Department lawyers in July/August 2002 were central to the launch of the war against Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died and tens of thousands of U.S. service members have either been killed or badly wounded in a war that was based on lies fortified and promoted by the most sadistic torture.

Mr. Libi is suddenly dead. A Libyan â??newspaper sourceâ?� says that his death is an apparent suicide. His friends donâ??t believe that.

We are building a movement for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor. This is not a political choice. It is a legal imperative. Mr. Libiâ??s death must be the first business of the investigation. When other prisoners who had been kept at secret sites were sent to Guantanamo, the Bush administration and the CIA intentionally kept Mr. Libi from being part of that transfer. Mr. Libi was publicly stating that the Iraq-al-Qaeda links attributed to him from his torture sessions were not true.

â??Who was the beneficiaryâ?� from his death? Why was he spirited away by the Bush administration to hidden foreign prisons after he recanted his tortured testimony and revealed that he was forced to make false statements about Iraq

Bush's 'Smoking Gun' Witness Found Dead

who cares what happened to this Haji. Good riddance. There are still folks getting tortured at Black sites right now, and will be in 10 years. Khaled Sheik Mohammed was bumping his gums about getting a lawyer and never talking when he got picked up. After getting water dumped down his nose he sang like a broad. (like anyone would) If it didnt produce direct results, Obama should release all the files, but he won't. Those CIA guys should get medals.

[psychocat]

who cares what happened to this Haji. Good riddance. There are still folks getting tortured at Black sites right now, and will be in 10 years. Khaled Sheik Mohammed was bumping his gums about getting a lawyer and never talking when he got picked up. After getting water dumped down his nose he sang like a broad. (like anyone would) If it didnt produce direct results, Obama should release all the files, but he won't. Those CIA guys should get medals.

So what you're trying to tell us is that torture is justified even when we know people will say whatever we want if you use enough duress ?
How does the holier than thou attitude work if you're an hypocrite ?

The US agreed that waterboarding is torture and outlawed it's use and yet a few years down the line they themselves use it, how does that work ?
Suddenly it's not illegal because of some inane wordplay ?
I don't think so.

Only a retard would rely on the words of someone in fear for thier life , under enough coercion anyone would tell you precisely what you want to hear.

As for medals for the CIA , I think a bullet to the head would be more fitting.

[Islandborn]

I hear ya, im not saying Im right and your wrong. When it comes down to it, I just really dont care what happens to them. Is that terrible. In 3 years another President will come around with their lawyers and say it's not torture, it's the American way. Ive seen it, looks shitty, real painful. I just dont care.

[psychocat]

I hear ya, im not saying Im right and your wrong. When it comes down to it, I just really dont care what happens to them. Is that terrible. In 3 years another President will come around with their lawyers and say it's not torture, it's the American way. Ive seen it, looks shitty, real painful. I just dont care.

This statement beggars the question ,why bother getting into a debate about a subject that you yourself "don't care" about ? :wtf:

[Islandborn]

All I can do is keep hittin the Rigs making money for my fam, and avoid random trips to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[psychocat]

All I can do is keep hittin the Rigs making money for my fam, and avoid random trips to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

They aren't high on my list of "Countries I must visit before I die" either. :thumbsup:
Good luck to you and yours man. :rastasmoke:

[Islandborn]

They wanna prosecute some nobody lawyers from the previous administration go ahead, boo-hoo. Zippity doo-da. In the end, it will continue. Continues now and will always continue all over the planet. Doesnt make it right at all. But im not gonna loose a wink of sleep knowing people somewhere will torture other people to protect my interests. I like that alot actually. Felt good to type actually.

[smello]

Its not right what was done,but saying it was right and then changing the rules after the fact isnt either-smello

[kathaksung]

Value for torture (April 09)

It's kind of funny to argue on such a moral topic. Morality can't be traded. But American enable it with a value.

Torture/waterboarding works. Yes, so are other illegal things. You will have proof that Rape/murder works too. And you can defend that FBI imposed very tight restrictions on the use of torture.....

Only please you don't accuse Hitler for Facist or Saddam for torture, because they just do same thing you approved.

And because some people who think they are the outlaw and can do what ever they want to and justify their crime by "it works" or "value".

That's why President Kennedy was assassinated, so was Rober Kennedy. And Dr. Martin L. King. Because for insiders, the victim are " subject to additional limits" and up to someone's "value".

We outlaw the torture because we don't want others to apply it on Americans. It kills Americans too, in miserable way. So if you legalize it, you also open a way to let others to do same thing on us.

Thanks for those who boast "patriot" admit of the two standards. Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tze Tung and Kin Jong Ir gave themseves the same right openly. That's totalitarian. Bush is justified by someone like Yoo, that's democratic. Is there any difference when they did same thing? In the name of value? Or you will find some excuse to say if it was done by "them", then it's savage, inhuman but when "I" did it, it's for the value of ... eh "pratriotism", "democracy"?