Obama says torturers may face prosecution

[boaz]

..."its better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six"

words of wisdom, eh? we didn't invent democracy and the rule of law but its working out pretty well for us here in the US. i'm glad to see it starting to take root in Iraq, too.

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[boaz]

"We are America, we don't fucking torture". Fox News Network :jointsmile:

[psychocat]

Which place are you referring to? Afghanistan or Iraq?

Seeing as an organization responsible for attacking Americans on American soil is located in Afghanistan, our army had every right to retaliate and try to eliminate the enemy. I am afraid Afghanistan will turn into our modern day Vietnam though.

Now if you are referring to Iraq. We overthrew a dictator who was responsible for ordering the murder of 148 Shiites. So, although I don't exactly agree with this war, it is certainly justifiable on a moral level. It is also hard to blame Bush for the intelligence he acted on. Many reports from several different nations all said Iraq had WMD's, not to mention, historically they have had them.

The reasons you give are complete bollocks.
The nationalities of those who attacked America had absolutely nothing to do with any one country and since the majority were Saudis I would say we are well off our target area.
WMDs is the biggest joke around, it was always a bullshit excuse.
The support for Saddam when he was doing what the US wished is so easily forgotten isn't it.

However this is all off topic since the question is a very simple one.

Can any country that denounces torture then uses it themselves be considered as any better than those they denounce ?

The only logical answer is NO.

[yokinazu]

its all propaganda.

we aint endin dick but we are goin to make it huge news that we are goin to. we'll close gitmo but we'll open another facility in someother shitty part of the world and waterboard the fuck outa these prisoners far away from the press. but we are goin to make a big show of closing the prisons, prosicuting the torturers and the like.

[dossantos]

Im not going to slate america..
America has contributed so much to the world..
Without the US we would not have all the beautiful strains of weed..

But ye guys over react.. The strange thing about 9/11 was the hysterical reaction..
On websites tv etc.. it was like watching the nazis in the 30's.. All chanting USA USA.. Crazy for revenge.. Baying for blood... And with a lunatic at the helm..(GWB)..
A couple of thousand people got killed...
In europe and the middle east people have got used of war and bombs...

Was it that much of a shock that after years of doing what u wanted around the world somebody kicked back..
The big suprise for me is that this has not happenned more often..
2 times.. Pearl Harbour and 9/11..

I think Obama has to be good for the world..
He has improved the image of the US...
He has got a real positive image in Europe and i think it really is time for change...
The world wants to love the US..
Its where most of us look to for clothes, tv, movies, music etc..

Peace and Love all...

Cannabis 2012 "The year of the Leaf"...

[justanotherbozo]

kool-aid to the left

[JaggedEdge]

But ye guys over react.. The strange thing about 9/11 was the hysterical reaction..
On websites tv etc.. it was like watching the nazis in the 30's.. All chanting USA USA.. Crazy for revenge.. Baying for blood... And with a lunatic at the helm..(GWB)..
A couple of thousand people got killed...
In europe and the middle east people have got used of war and bombs...

Simply because other countries are to pussified to retaliate doesn't mean America should follow Europe's lead.

Was it that much of a shock that after years of doing what u wanted around the world somebody kicked back..

And European countries haven't done the same throughout history?

The big suprise for me is that this has not happenned more often..
2 times.. Pearl Harbour and 9/11..

And both times America was quick to respond. It sends the message to enemies that if they are going to bomb American soil, they better deliver a crushing blow in that initial attack or face the wrath of our armed forces. I have been very interested in American history, and I'm certain our founders would support our retaliatory actions.

I think Obama has to be good for the world..
He has improved the image of the US...
He has got a real positive image in Europe and i think it really is time for change...

Why the fuck should we care what Europe thinks of us? And why the hell is he apologizing for the U.S. over there? We have given a lot of great things to the world community in our short reign as a nation. Yet we are apologizing. WTF? What exactly do we have to apologize for? I didn't realize these European nations had such a respectable track record.

Obama needs to be good for America, not the world. He is our goddamn leader, so he better start acting in our best fucking interest before we have 1776 part II.

world wants to love the US..
Its where most of us look to for clothes, tv, movies, music etc..

No they don't. We donate more money to other nations than any other country, but nobody gives a shit. People love hating America. Our President sure as hell shouldn't be apologizing to the rest of the world on our behalf. We have nothing to apologize for! Our history certainly isn't completely clean, but nobodies is!

And the rest of the world doesn't seem to like him that much. They didn't seem to appreciate him pushing for them to give massive stimulus packages to their people. I know for a fact German and French leaders have publicly expressed their anger and annoyance at him in the past month or so.

[higher4hockey]

^yeah!!

[justanotherbozo]

:rambo: what he said !

[psychocat]

A simple question of logic dictates that if torture is wrong for others to commit (this is something all civilised societies agree) then it is wrong no matter who is doing it.

Twist and whine all you want but the truth is you can't take the moral highground as a hypocrite.