ATTENTION: Irish "Tomato" Growers!

[PayDirt]

Hello Irish â??Tomatoâ?� Growers,


I'm sure this is the weirdest post ever proffered on this forum... but I'm hoping enough people will read it that I can scrounge up sufficient interest to make my experiment viable.

First off, allow me to introduce myself: I'm neither a â??tomatoâ?� grower, nor a â??tomatoâ?� smoker... in fact I'm a non-drinking, non-smoking science nerd who refrains from all forms of recreational drugs. I doubt I'd have much in common with any member of this forum.

However, we do enjoy somewhat overlapping interests... one of my hobbies is an interest in biologically-active and specially engineered anthropogenic soils.



Last summer I splashed out on a stock of ingredients and brewed up a batch of rhizobacteria-enriched biologically-activated soil. But lacking even one green thumb (I couldn't keep a mold alive), I decided to shared out my soil samples among the neighbouhood gardening enthusiasts.

Well it seems this latest tweaked recipe exceeded even my expectations: huge, virulent plants/flowers/vegetables; exceptionally high biomass yields and several of the greenhouse-grown varieties reached maturity months ahead of schedule (despite the late frosts).

Unfortunately, none of my neighbours had the prescience to grow a control batch in regular garden soil for comparison... and I negected to request they do so. This oversight means I have no comparative measure of the soils fertility.



This year I had hoped to recruit help for a rerun of the experiment among some of the amateur gardening/allotment groups in and around Dublin... but I've found these guys to be... well, very amateur indeed. Their dithering means its now too late in the season to plant outdoors.


So a (stoner) friend recommended I make contact with the burgeoning community of home-grow â??tomatoâ?� enthusiasts, and here I am.



Realising that most successful regular â??tomatoâ?� growers are somewhat secretive and cautious for legal considerations, I should probably offer the incentive of explaining exacty what benefits anthropogenic biologcally-enriched soils offer the amateur gardener:

...markedly increased growth rates (more crops per year for the indoor grower)

...shorter seed-to-maturity times (the high biological availability of nutrients increases plant BMR: basal metabolic rate)

...significantly higher biomass yields (bigger, healthier, more resilient plants): 30% extra growth is not uncommon

...exceptional phytochemical yields: especially as it relates to the more complex phytochemicals such as lycopene yields in regular tomatoes. Presumably the same applies to the various cannibinoids (THC; CBD; CBN; THVC; CBC and CBL) found in other â??tomatoesâ?�.
Organic crops grown with a suitably tailored engineered soil often boast many, many times the phytochemical yield of similar intensively grown (fertiliser) crops, sometimes twenty or more times the regular, conventional yield. Although I do not know what effect (if any) this increased yield might have on the ratio of cannibinoids.


The particular soil recipe I have devised (which I've comically nicknamed â??Paydirtâ?�) should have such myriad benefits for the amateur â??tomatoâ?� grower: as it offers the seedlings many times the normal level of soil nutrients WITHOUT the threat of â??nutrient burnâ?� (there is no fertiliser added to my soil).


Interested?


What I need are a few volunteers willing to grow one or two plants in my â??Paydirtâ?� soil alongside their regular crop (which then becomes the de-facto control group I need for comparison), so long as those volunteers meet certain specific requirements:

1- GROWER COMPETENCE
REGULAR GROWERS ONLY! Only consistent growers who are both REGIMENTED and COMPETENT with a good reputation

2- COMPARITIVE CROPS
Plants grown in my â??Paydirtâ?� soil must be part of a larger regular crop (two of a crop of ten plants for example) for statistical comparison

3- PLANT ISOLATION
ALL plants must be grown in separate pots (to avoid cross-contamination that might pollute the rhizobacteria cultures)

4- ATTENTION TO DETAIL
Volunteers must be willing to follow the EXACT planting instructions supplied with the â??Paydirtâ?� soil

5- UNIFORM CONDITIONS
Volunteers must water; feed and sun ALL plants (both their reglar crop and the plants grown in my soil) using identical protocols

6- ACTIVE INGREDIENT YIELD COMPARISONS
The plants must be harvested and processed separately: for comparison of the active ingredient yields (ie: please prepare samples from both crops and report back on separate â??Toke Testsâ?�)

7- REPORTING
Volunteers must be prepared to report back their progress at regular intervals (after the first month; at maturity and after harvesting). This can be done via this thread: posted progress photos would suffice, weighing of plants or calculation of biomass is not necessary. However a final ounce tally would be helpful.

8- UNIFORM NUTRIENT DOSING
Organic growers preferred, but not required (once the same nutrient dose is used for all plants)


Other than that, I dont mind which specific techniques you use (I'm not a gardener myself), so long as ALL the plants are exposed to identical conditions then the comparison with the regular crop remains valid. That being said, once the plants grown in the â??Paydirtâ?� soil exceed the size of the regular crop they may require more water (but not more nutrients).



If this sounds like something you might be interested in then please feel free to contact me via this email address: paydirt-at-hush mail.com

I realise that this particular situation requires a modicum of discretion and I will endeavour to keep everything completely anonymous (hence the cheesey username). I won't answer any pms sent through the forum, (which may be subject to surveillence) and would prefer NOT to meet any of the volunteers in person, nor know any personal details of any volunteer. Please keep this in mind.

Samples will be delivered by means of a drop-off-and-collect arrangement.



Please also be aware that pragmatism must also impose its own restrictions. For example: I live in the Dublin area and simply can't travel huge distances to deliver samples.

Other than that my only caveat would be: NO TIMEWASTERS PLEASE!

Despite the fact that I'll be eating the cost of the ingredients for the sake of this little experiment, please consider that brewing a batch of biologically enriched soil is both a costly and labour intensive process: last years batch took two weeks to process and cost me 125 EURO PER PLANTING BAG (small bag). I dont mind being a grand down (I have enough ingredients to make eleven or so tree-bags) if I get some useable data... but I don't want to be dicked about.


Sincerely,
-PayDirt (not my real name)

PS: I'm not online very often, but if I've placed this thead in the wrong forum or broken any forum rules with this proposal then I'll abide by any actions taken by the moderators. I'll also attempt to answer any questions raised in this thread if forum members can be patient with me (bit of a technophobe).

PayDirt Reviewed by PayDirt on 04-21-2009. ATTENTION: Irish "Tomato" Growers! Hello Irish â??Tomatoâ?� Growers, I'm sure this is the weirdest post ever proffered on this forum... but I'm hoping enough people will read it that I can scrounge up sufficient interest to make my experiment viable. First off, allow me to introduce myself: I'm neither a â??tomatoâ?� grower, nor a â??tomatoâ?� smoker... in fact I'm a non-drinking, non-smoking science nerd who refrains from all forms of recreational drugs. I doubt I'd have much in common with any member of this forum. Rating: 5

[PayDirt]

78 views and still no replies? Not even a question?


Guess that's what happens when you post a really long and detailed thread on April 20th (Happy 4-20 by the way!)


Have to say I'm a little surprised. I thought the prospect of a significantly increased yield would have every Irish grower biting my hand off to be included in this little expriment.

No questions?... not even a sarcastic comment?


-PayDirt

[oxoxsixoxo]

hahaha I'd try putting it out there without the whole "tomatoe" thing going on dude
Just tell people your trying a way to make weed bigger and better! U gotta remember to everyone heres gonna be pretty f**kin sussed about their dope

[swiftgt]

whats up ,whats your contact details?

[PayDirt]

whats up ,whats your contact details?

Just send me an email: paydirt at hush mail dot com


But please remember, I need experienced competent and cosistent growers willing to grow a couple of plants in my recipe soil alongside a regular crop for comparison purposes.

These growers must be willing to follow the detailed instructions I'll supply and then report back on their progress: photo at the halfway point; photo at harvest; yield comparison between the regular crop and the plants grown in my soil... and then a comparative "toke test" (there shold be many more times the usual amount of the more exotic cannabinoids in a plant grown in my soil: CBD; CBN; THCV; CBC; CBL etc).

No outdoor growers; no timewasters; no muppets... thanks.


If you can do this, fit the criteria and want to be involved, then just email me your:
-general location ("Stepaside", or "Tallaght" for example)
-a quick note about your general growing experience and competence (a pic of your current crop or even a link to a grow log)

That's all I need or want to know.

No names; no addresses; no detailed criminal histories... I'm not interested.

I'll drop off a couple of bags somewhere discreet near where you live. I email you the location. You collect. Simple.


I live in the Dublin suburbs, so I can't drive huge distaces for deliveries. Please keep this in mind.


Again, no timewasters. I'm already taking the hit on the cost of the ingredients (leftovers from last years batch: about eleven plant bags total at 115 euro a bag). But I do want some quality data for my efforts.


-PayDirt

[ned]

Sounds interesting.. Would like to know some more info about those "secret ingredients"
Email on the way to ya..

:rastasmoke:

[PayDirt]

Sounds interesting.. Would like to know some more info about those "secret ingredients"
Email on the way to ya..

:rastasmoke:

ned,


No need for the email. I can answer that right here.

I don't use any "secret ingredients" per say, it's more a question of how the soil is processed.

I use three basic steps:

-Base
No mystery here I use a mixture of moss peat and regular soil, just milled for a uniform paticulate size.

-Substrate
Can't go into too much detail here (trade secret), but I use a predigested inert organic nutrient mix that doesn't cause nutriet burn. When processed properly, the major constituent of the nutrient mix also provides a miroscopic architecture for bacterial growth, which is the next step.

-Bacteria
Once the substrate has been properly processed and added to the soil mix I add a rhizobacteria culture which adsorbs to the buk substrate material. Then I just brew the soil (under the right conditions: a warm photorestricted anaerobic environment) which promotes the growth of the rhizobacteria.

There you go... just one simple step followed by two tediously labor intensive and convoluted steps taking approximately two weeks.


No "secret ingredients".


This isn't new technology, but it seems few are aware of these processes.

For example, I've noticed on this and other weed-growing forums (lurked around for a few days before making this appeal) that no one seems to know anything about soil. Lots of discussion of the merits of various lighting protocols and nutrient mixes, but very little talk of soil engineering.


The evidence of this is the recurring problem of "nutrient burn". A problem that is very solvable.


True, excessive soluble chemical nutrients will always eventually cause nutrient burn, especially when growing a fast-maturing plant sensitive to such factors. But a proper pre-digested organic nutrient substrate added to the soil allows for optimum plant metabolism (rapid growth) without the need to resort to harsh soluble chemical nutrients.

This means plants grown in an engineered soil simply have access to more nutrients, whereas in a nutrient poor soil these chemicals have to be added, and the addition of such artificial nutrients adversely alters the soil chemistry.



That's why I want a comparative grow with identical protocols for my little experiment.

The level of excess nutrients required to cause nutrient burn in conjunction with my soil recipe will probably kill the batch of plants grown in regular soil alongside them (my soil has higher surface adsorption on the microscopic level).


-PayDirt

[PayDirt]

Just a quick bump for this thread.


For those interested; I've now got three volunteer growers for my little experiment (one from this forum, one from RollItUp.org, and another via reference from an acquaintance).

When I get five (maybe six) growers I'll brew up the last of my ingredients and divvy up the eleven or so plant bags (the brew itself will take two weeks).


If anyone else wants to apply for one of the two (maybe three) places left, then please don't hesitate to contact me: paydirt at hush mail dot com

I'm also still willing to answer any other questions posited in this thread.


Thanks again for all the feedback guys.


-PayDirt

[PayDirt]

Okay guys...

Thanks for all the input.

I now have three intested growers who meet my requirements (competent regular growers willing to run a comparative grow according to my stipulations). That's six plant bags (3 x 2).

I also have another couple of growers who have expressed an interest and from whom I am awaiting proof of growing competence (crop/set-up pics and/or a link to a growlog).
That should be another three or four plant bags.

Then I also have another small grower (referred by an acquaintance)... who will probably take my last bag.


That's all eleven bags allocated.


Unless... unless, of course, one of the two unverified growers fails to prove their competence.

I'm going to give them a week... then those last four bags are up for grabs.

Anybody who wants to get on the alternate list just drop me an email with:
-your (rough) location
-evidence (as specified above) of your growin competence

...to: paydirt at hush mail dot com


I'll be mixing and milling the soil this weekend, and the brewing process (bacterial inoculation) should take 12 or 13 days.

I'll be able to deliver the samples the weeend of the 30th and 31st of May.



Thanks again guys,
-PayDirt

[PayDirt]

I'll be updating this thread soon with the all the latest happenings in this little experiment, so watch this space.

-PayDirt