ok seeing how i think most people dont trust me quite yet here is a site frankdiscussion.netfirm.com go here the guy who runs this site is one of the elders of my group if you write him and email you can ask him about ocan and what we do or you can ask him about the highway 420 event and you can also find a link to the site for the highway 420 event please check them out both great sites and bopth very informative