Quote Originally Posted by hearseking
someone post pics of plants at end of flowering not vegitative that does not mean shit to me ,ufo is pure junk a fire alarm with l.e.d. on it ,what about the procron or whatever its called that supposed to give 400
I have used Procyon 100s, and they work very well. Even I who have experimented with LEDs I was surprised how well they will bloom. But to think that thay are an "identical" exchange to a 400hps is just silly. I used two (2) to replace a 400watt MH in my mom room. But that alone was a 50% power savings. They will not veg a plant to 4+ ft, they lack penertration, but if you keep your mom's to a reasonable height they work fine.

BTW: I sold them as part of a aero/fog ponic grow tray set up. The Procyons will actually work from cutting to finished bud....and only raise the temperture of a 3'x3' tent enclosure abt 2-3 degrees over ambient.

In my experiments I have found that even a 600watt HPS is not adequate to cover a 4'x4' grow area effectively, it is no match to the 1000watt HPS. But in an interesting experiment I found 2- TI Pro-blooms at 330watts each will compete easily with a 1000watt HPS.
The 1kw HPS actually uses 1,150w w/ballast vs. 660w; that's 490watts savings and none of the heat provblems associated with HPS. Plus using grow trays designed for SOG style plants (138/4x4 tray) I can outproduce the 1kw HPS by a good margin.

Will you see a picture of a large 4' or more indoor plant grown indoor under LED? Probably not, it would take way too many LEDs, but why grow that big indoors? We just don't have a difference in light preference, we have a difference in grow philosiphy. I don't believe in growing large plants, with big fat stems, and lots of branches with all the associated leaf material indoors. Thats the stuff I'm going to throw away....I just want big fat buds! Small plants, many of them gives me the effeciency to use LEDs and that increases effeciency more.