AK-47 in E&F - rockwool/clay medium (First Grow Log)

[icbh707]

yep i think im going to build one of your screens. i was looking at my BC and if you look at that side view i posted earlier i think this plant will scrog like a grape vine. i guess it comes down to how far the light will penetrate. i think ill spread those 4 tops out and set the screen at about 24in? then start weaving them out to open spaces. good idea on that screen thanks!
thats kinda what im talking about with shorter topped plants. if you can keep them low and put that screen at about 10-12in?? and really spread the plant out you should be able to get a big yield while minimizing your fluffy bottom buds. ive seen lots of over vegged plants in my time and you can see where the line of usable buds stops and the bottom fluff starts. with a 1000hps its at about 3ft or so down from the top. a 4ft plant (not supercropped) will have about 6-12in of leaves at the bottom and no real bud to speak of. i should take a pic of my buddys 5ft tall ladies...sucks.

sweet sub! ive been telling my friends that one of us needs to just bite the bullet and be the clone/mother guy. start from seed and keep the genetics fresh and hook the rest of us up. nobody wants to do it...i guess that would be a lot of babies. its a numbers game in cali.

GH rep wont call me back, big surprise. shop owner says that he only somebody say that about 3G not GH. hes a fuckin stoner. nice guy but never remembers anything right. ph still goes up after mix. ill go check now. just mixed 1050ppm 5.6ph we'll see. 2 days into flower about 16in and looking good. they love the 60% humi and lower temp. it was about 100f today with only a swamp cooler.

ill be out of town for a few days and back with pics of my finished grape ape.:thumbsup::jointsmile:

actually this is me lately so nervous!
wish me luck
anybody have any extra glass jars???

[subzero]

Bert.

!!DO NOT TRY TAKING THEM OUT OF THE ROCKWOOL CUBES!!

Get some seedling soil based compost and add a bit of perlite to get some air in it. Dont use miracle grow. I wouldn't use this mix if I were going to plants in soil to maturity, but for little moms it is fine, you can feed it as nessesary when the soil runs out of nutes. Dont add nutes until they need it ,remember you want them to survive, not flourish. When you want clones add more food and light. Small pots, low light (not too many lumens), plain water 6.5-7.0ph, or somewhere thereabouts and your good to go.


Icbh
Yes I have loads of glass jars you can have if you want to come get them!

Every hydro guy I have ever met is like that, pretty sure its in the job description.

A small mom would give you as many clones as you would need as and when you need them. I couldn't put up with flowering clones and the likes. Not choosing my next strain would be the worst as thats half the fun for me!

Subzero :thumbsup:

[bertoxxulous]

@icbh707 - Glad my screen gave you some ideas! I think with the fact I'm rocking fluoro's right now its probably the most productive way for me to grow after really spending some time thinking about it. I measured my trellis to be exactly 12" above the tops of my 1 gallon bags while they are sitting in the flood table. I also had to factor in the 1" peice of wood that is the frame, so it should be exactly 12". I really lucked out because the supercropping I did put the main SC stem about 2" below the trellis wire by just dumb luck really.

@subzero - Well sometime this week I should get around to buying that stuff then. I've noticed a few of my clones are getting larger so its only a matter of time before I need to transplant. I'm sure I could keep them in my seedling tray for another 14 days though I'm geussing. Once I get the other tent rebuilt I'll put all these clones in there in my small E&F setup until I harvest this grow. Speaking of, how long you think it will be till they are ready to harvest? They just seem to be moving so quick its hard for me to really guess at it all. If they are truely AK-47 and harvest in 8 weeks that would technically be this comming weekend but I know they got set back with the death tents and all...I'm in no rush really I just want to get this right! I don't want to be too optimistic because everytime I am it seems my optimism gets pounded into the ground by some unseen factor.

Anyways, I've been reading some peoples ways of curing and it seems everyone does something alittle different. I was wondering what you guys suggest I do. From all I've read the one I like the most is the way Divestoned does it. He cuts and drys till stem breaks then puts in paper bags for 2 weeks and then considers it ready to smoke but puts it into airtight glass jars afterwards to preserve the buds. The other way I've seen is hang em till the the stem breaks, put in paper bag for 5 days to a week, and then put them in airtight glass jars and opens the jars for about 10 minutes twice a day for a "x" amount of time till the buds are no longer moist/moisture no longer builds up in the jars. I need to go buy some of those glass jars btw, I first bought these plastic airtight containers but have since learned its not good for some reason.

[subzero]

bert,
those babies have only been flowering for two weeks and two days, you've got six weeks left before you are ready to harvest. Hope you have some stash in the meantime!

Yes either way is great to cure, I do the latter. I use food grade plastic containers, every coffeeshop in Amsterdam uses plastic. I know it's not perfect but unless you have some extra cash I wouldn't bother with glass for now. If you already have plastic, may as well use it.

Subzero

[MichiganAero]

if you live near a World Market, or go to their website, they have cheap glass jars of every size. I got a 2 gallon clear glass jar for about $5. Seals great. Yur not suppose to use plastic because it has the potential to build up static, and can attract the crystals. But i think that mostly applies to baggies and stuff.

Happy growing

[bertoxxulous]

@subzero - unfortunately, I don't have the stash, I'm just about out by the end of the week probably and the only way I'm getting more at this point is from my own. So when you say AK-47 is a 8 week harvest you mean 8 weeks of flowering period? I'll stick with plastic then

@MichiganAero - thanks for the info man!

[bertoxxulous]

Wanted to add some more questions here about figuring out how long it takes to grow something. When I read like seed info and stuff is says 8 weeks for harvest and stuff, is that always referring to the flowering period only? I always that that was with veg. too? I guess I don't understand how longer veg = longer flowering time either?

[subzero]

Yes, what you read when buying seeds is an approxamation from the time you flip to 12/12 not from seed to harvest unless you are growing an autoflowering variety (your not if your seeds are that old)which I personally would avoid like the plauge.

Most plants can be vegged indefinately 18/6 so they cant put a time on it from seed as everyones veg time is different. Got me?

To be honest, I have never connected longer veg with longer flowering time, longer to produce a crop yes but havent found a noticable difference from flip to harvest due to longer veg. maybe icbh can shed some light on this???

Please bert, dont start picking buds off until they are ready, it will be worth the wait I promise. dont forget they will be full of nasty chemicals until you flush at the end.

If nothing else growing weed teaches you to have patience, if you don't have patience you will fail. This is why most people don't grow.

Subzero :thumbsup:

[bertoxxulous]

@subzero - Wow, that makes perfect sense....I kinda feel like an ass for not comming to that conclusion myself...it seems kind of obvious honestly. Don't worry sub, I'm not going to jump the gun, I can suffer till these are truely ready for harvest. After all this hard work, the wait is well worth it IMO. I want to grow some coneissure bud like I stated at the beginning of this grow log and I really mean it. I've gone without before, it really sucks balls something hardcore, but I'll survive. Only issue I can think of...in 6 weeks exactly I'm going to be out of town for like 4 days so I'm not sure how thats all going to work out, I may need to end up harvest a day or two early.

I would like to mention on a bud here or there, not very many anyways, some of the pistils have turned orange...not very many but a couple.

Also, I've been spraying my humidity dome and such with the clones but this morning the humidity was really low in the dome and the clones looked really punked. The RW cubes were really dry looking...should they be alot more moist? I'm thinking its because the RW cubes are dry cause it just recently dried out overnight last night (not sure what happened humidity was like 40% in the dome). I haven't done anything yet other than spraying some more water in the dome this morning. I think their growth my also be alittle stunted cause they sprouting more pistils and such than when they went in.

[bertoxxulous]

So I went back and checked my dates of when things were done. Seedlings were transplanted into main tent on 04/04/09. 12/12 cycle started 05/02/09. So if this is AK-47 and its 80~ days then I'm looking at like...the week of July 18-25th...well over a month away lol. Ouch. Guess thats what I get for a month long Veg time. I don't know if I can blame myself to much over the Veg time though. Looking back I wish I would have just built my own tent from the get-go.