as good as ocean forest

[michaelpeg]

can someone tell me a soil that is as good as foxfarm ocean forest or better? I thought i was going to be able to purchase some for around $60 but it turns out that is just for shipping. I am NOT paying $80+ for a bag of soil and i am 100% sick of attempting to grow plants in mediums with no nutritional value, so please no soilless medium suggestions unless you give me a list of things to put in the soilless that makes it suitable for cannabis and i mean exactly what is going in it, not just add some of this and some of that I need exact ratios because I am finished with "experimenting" and need a medium that is proven to work for cannabis. I have been growing for 2 years and my plants always end up looking like shit and i am fed up. Reading for days and days gets you nowhere if you cant get the supplies. sorry i am just really mad about the foxfarm ocean forest prices they are rediculous and i cant imagine why 90% of the places dont ship to canada and why it isn't in stores in canada.

michaelpeg Reviewed by michaelpeg on 04-04-2009. as good as ocean forest can someone tell me a soil that is as good as foxfarm ocean forest or better? I thought i was going to be able to purchase some for around $60 but it turns out that is just for shipping. I am NOT paying $80+ for a bag of soil and i am 100% sick of attempting to grow plants in mediums with no nutritional value, so please no soilless medium suggestions unless you give me a list of things to put in the soilless that makes it suitable for cannabis and i mean exactly what is going in it, not just Rating: 5

[frostymcfailure]

Pro-mix after transplant but use a cooler soil for starts. I am a fan of ocean forest but its down right preicy when you can custom blend your own mix from the start. you'll be al iight :thumbsup:

[michaelpeg]

frosty, isn't promix soilless? i have actually tried pro mix both organic and the original and was not even able to finish the grow the plants just seem to stand at the same size for weeks yes i said WEEKS, I have not had a problem with burning them, they just dont grow, period. Honest to god if you were to see my plants before i started flowering at the age of 2.5 months you would guess their age to be about 3 weeks with no branching whatsoever with about 6 leaves on it most of which look extremely unhealthy. And this is PPP i am growing known for growing BIG. You would think i water them with a herbicide which obviously i dont.
What do you suggest for a custom mix if you have had experience with any?
frostymcfailure should be my name.

[axxxxe]

man thats a drag ff ocean 25 bucks 30 minute away I guess I am lucky. I have used black gold organic when I lived in oregon it work well needs about 20% perlite added.

[michaelpeg]

thanks axxxe, yes you are lucky, i was ready to pay $60 for it but it doesn't come that cheap. did you add anything to the black gold besides perlite? when do the nutes run out.

[michaelpeg]

hmm according to a couple websites this black gold is made in canada yet I cant find a place that will ship to canada so i guess i can cross this off the list of good soils available in canada (the list is now blank). im getting to the point where i am ready to dig into the soil in my back yard and use that rather than the garbage they have in canada. I cant believe people are actually able to grow here. Especially the beginners who are basically forced to use soilless or our version of soil (peat moss mixed with slow release ferts) LOL getting pissed im willing to pay up to $60 for a decent bag of soil and i cant find one.

[headshake]

what makes you think it's a soil problem? i use miracle grow or pro-mix soil and have had no problems what-so-ever!

i think people like a mix of 2 parts top soil to 1 part of pearlite. some prefere 2 parts top soil, 1 part perlite, 1 part vermiculite.

you can use any standard nutes from here.


-shake

[Weezard]

can someone tell me a soil that is as good as foxfarm ocean forest or better? ...
so please no soilless medium suggestions unless you give me a list of things to put in the soilless that makes it suitable for cannabis and i mean exactly what is going in it, not just add some of this and some of that I need exact ratios because I am finished with "experimenting" and need a medium that is proven to work for cannabis. I have been growing for 2 years and my plants always end up looking like shit and i am fed up. Reading for days and days gets you nowhere if you cant get the supplies. sorry i am just really mad about the foxfarm ocean forest prices they are rediculous and i cant imagine why 90% of the places dont ship to canada and why it isn't in stores in canada.

Aloha MP,

Pepper plants, full tropical sun, rainwater+

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Coco on the left, Ocean Forest on the right.

The onions and beans are just as dramatic.
I'm sure you have a few questions.

1 tsp of "Dyna-grow" liquid plant food 7-9-5.
They also make a bloom formula 3-12-6
and 1 tsp CalMag per gallon of rain, or tap water.
shake some air into the water and apply 'til runoff.
That's it.
No Rhizo, myco, superthrive, or other bombastic bud bullshit. Just coco, water, and 1 simple fertilizer.
I use a hydro nutes because it gives me the proper PH for coco. 5.2 - 5.8
There's a lot of crap out there.

Of course, there's coco and there's coco.

I use Cocogro, by Botanicare. (Arizona company)
Comes in several sizes, I use 5 Kilo blocks that yield about 70 liters of soil 'cause I grow all my vegetables in it now.
Saves a fortune on shipping.
If your local store does not carry it, insist that they start.
Got more picture if ya wannem.

'zat help?

Weezard

[michaelpeg]

@ headshake: its not a soil problem its a soilless problem. Although i have been attempting to grow for 2 years, in total i have yielded 10 grams. This is supposed to be saving me money not wasting my money. Plants just dont grow in soilless unless there is something added to it. What that something is, i dont know. I always add about 1 part perlite+verm to 2 parts soil. My plants would only develop 1 set of true leaves if i dont fert them with ff grow big and would be at a 100% stand still until they eventually die. I've read that you shouldn't fert until they get into veg but if i dont fert THERE WOULD BE NO VEG just a seedling that looks like it came out of the soil. No matter how many times i hear it I refuse to believe that grow big is all you need in soilless even though it apparently has everything you need in it. I have been trying this for a long time and it obviously doesn't have everything you need because my plants look like garbage. I have seen your grow logs and they are impressive by the way.

@weezard: i actually happen to have some coco in brick form right now, have you tried using the coco with the one fert for cannabis? if so how was your yield and how problematic was it?

Thank you both for stopping in, im in a horrible mood so sorry if i come across somewhat of an ass just tired of the problems, i haven't seen a healthy marijuana plant in person yet after the 10 or so different soil/soiless mediums i have tried lol.

[michaelpeg]

also 1 tsp dyna gro per 1 gallon water?