Quote Originally Posted by Coelho
To the OP: The problem with this question is that it is very much ideologically charged (probably as much as the MMJ debate) and so both sides simply ignore the facts the other side shows and cling to their positions.
No, the argument is ideologically charged on the side of those who believe and support the pseudo-science, however, the other side is actually looking at the facts and statistics.

You are correct though in comparing it to MMJ. Those like us, who are supporting MMJ have looked at the evidence and realized their is no scientific data to actually support the opposition's views. So, yes, just like with global warming, one side looks at actual evidence while the other is simply motivated by ideology.

So i wont waste my time getting "facts" (or rather sites/videos/whatever on the internet), cause i know no amount of "facts" can change your (or anybody elses) mind if you dont want to. Also, nowadays its possible to back up almost anything with internet "facts", as the MMJ debate shows very well. Anyway, if you want internets "facts", look at Al Gores site, for example.
Go read a book by a scientist than. That's where I initially got my information. You can't simply claim their aren't any credible internet sites. The sites I have posted are valid, in particular, icecap.us

I have done the leg work to present honest and legitimate sources, if you are unable to do the same I will continue to believe you have no evidence to support that crap you say. I have looked at Gores facts before and for the last time, he isn't credible. If you don't know why, read higher in this post.

But, lets suppose for a moment that you are right, and the climate changes caused by humans are still too small. If the worlds industrialization keep its pace, how long it will take until all the things that the environmentalists claim now became actually true? How it will be when every inhabitant of the 3rd world were able to drive its car? How it will be when all the forests were turned into farms/fields/whatever? If the world still wasnt messed up enough by society, is it an excuse to keep messing it up?
I am right, so assumptions aren't needed. Seeing as we are likely heading into a mini ice age, global industrialization would likely be beneficial. You argument is severely flawed in that it accepts that these environmentalists have identified the right cause. CAUSE AND EFFECT! You can't accurately predict an effect when you can't accurately pinpoint the cause. Which clearly they have failed to do.

If you want to know, i actually think the environmentalists are a bit exagerate (much like the defenders of MMJ that says its a completly harmless thing), but i think its needed. Maybe mankind still can revert (or at least diminish) the impacts of its society on the environment, but for do this it must start to act NOW.
You claim it may not be factual, yet you have completely bought into the fear mongers. If it isn't occurring, why do we have to risk actual harm to prevent something that isn't inevitable? We don't need to loose our rights, freedom, and wealth because something "might happen." If you base your life on that philosophy you might as well lock yourself in a cell for the rest of your life. We can take moderate steps to protect our environment, but drastic actions are not needed. Especially not at our lose of liberties and wealth as a nation.

This things takes a very long time to change. If we keep living as if there werent tomorrow and wait until the problems knock on our doors to think about them, then surely it will be too late to do anything.
You act as though you know what the problem is specifically, which you don't. To even try and drastically change something we don't understand is simply dumb. And yes, our environment is something we don't truly understand.