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04-04-2009, 07:02 AM #11
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Global Warming: A Political Lie.
You argued that I was wrong because I was looking at one scientist, yet in that paper, the only quotes you provide are from a politician. How exactly does that support your claims?
By the way, directly above this your last post I gave a very good site with a list of a lot of "scientists" who disagree with yourself and Al Gore. His Generation Investment Management private equity fund took a 9.5% stake in a company that has a one of the largest carbon credit portfolios in the world. Can you honestly believe he is an unbiased and credible source on the subject?
He is also the founder and chairmen of Generation Investment Management. Several sources claim they have major influence in carbon credit trading firms.
His companies site.
In regards to glaciers: from the icecap.us
Glaciers all over the world are shrinking because of global warming.Braithwaite in 2002 in a paper ??Glacier mass balance? in the Journal Progress in Physical Geography reveals ??there are several regions with highly negative mass balances in agreement with a public perception of ??the glaciers are melting,?? but there are also regions with positive balances.? Within Europe, for example, he notes that ??Alpine glaciers are generally shrinking, Scandinavian glaciers are growing, and glaciers in the Caucasus are close to equilibrium for 1980-95.? And when results for the whole world are combined for this most recent period of time, Braithwaite notes ??there is no obvious common or global trend of increasing glacier melt in recent years.?
Dr. Tim Patterson writes about Canadian glaciers that researchers from the University of Calgary and the University of Western Ontario have shown that glaciers in the Lake Louise area and at the Athabaska Icefields have receded far above their present limits in the past. We should consider the conditions that cause glaciers to advance and retreat. Obviously, climate warming will cause melt-back of the toe of a glacier (retreat). The cause for advance is primarily increased snowfall at the top of a glacier (the accretion zone). The pressure of the new glacial ice at the top of the glacier will cause the glacier to start flowing downhill more rapidly than the toe is melting; hence, the advance. Cooler temperatures without the increase in snowfall will probably not halt the retreat. It is possible to have a retreat with cool temperatures and low precipitation, and it is possible to have an advance with warm temperatures and heavy snowfall. It has been recorded in the literature that waxing and waning of glaciers all over the world is a common occurrence and that any reference to this being an abnormal thing, due to Global Warming depends on selectively gathered ??evidence?. This has been remarkably well illustrated in New Zealand in 2004 with the rapid advance of glaciers in the South Island with the only climatic change being very heavy precipitation.
By the way, you see the title "Dr." before their names, that means they are generally a credible source. Granted there are exceptions, however anyone is better than quoting a politician on scientific matters.
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