Calling out to DreadedHermie for a game of "stoner chess"

[DreadedHermie]

It's starting to look to me like the primary effect of far-red is telling the plant its got lotsa nearby neighbors, and to stretch to outgrow them.

I'm seeing a lot of anecdotal evidence--and reasoning that I suspect is based on faulty premises in regard to the red / far-red connection.

This is from Physicsnole (old). Have you encountered any supporting studies? For one thing, is this talking about intiating flower, or maintaining it? Both?

I would like to believe this stuff. And Leadenjin must have a reason for offering 735's. But wanting to believe it may be clouding some judgements. What do you think?

With 735nm far-red/near-infrared emitters available then it's possible to flower cannabis with 15 hours 'daylight'. How? Why? Well, the plant senses that critical 12-hours-darkness that triggers flowering in cannabis because a critical amount of phytochrome-FR has slowly, naturally, reverted to phytochrome-R during the dark cycle. But during the 'day' 660nm red light converts the phyto-R into phyto-FR, while far-red 735nm light more slowly converts the phyto-FR back to phyto-R. So we run all lights for 15 hours, then run nothing but 735nm for another two hours and finally 7 hours darkness.- artificially driving much of the phyto-FR back to phyto-R without waiting 12 hours for the natural reversion- so you can actually flower with shorter nights.

DreadedHermie Reviewed by DreadedHermie on 10-24-2009. Calling out to DreadedHermie for a game of "stoner chess" P - Q4 For all who wander by, kibbitzing and commenting is encouraged.:S5: Weezard Rating: 5

[Weezard]

As it turned out, it's just not that simple.
The theory is sound.
The phytochrome conversion is fact.

Alas, it is but one of several triggers, so, in practice, this did not fly. It barely limped.
There's also a bio-clock involved, so gains from Far red are not as impressive as we hoped.
Some othe processes are involved that still take about 12 hours of darkness to complete.
Got a paper on it somewhere.
If it turns up, it's yours.
(Though I'm guessing that you will find it before I do.):stoned:

I suspect that L.E. is just responding to demand.

The hucksters, are slapping 735s, n skyfire orange, n umpty shades of white on their lights and they are all hardwired together. :wtf:
Almost useless, from my experiments.

The Far-reds need to be started just before lights out, and only need to run for 45 minutes or so to do a full conversion.

Still no gotta be useful to be marketable, yah.

It's a funny world.

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

The Far-reds need to be started just before lights out, and only need to run for 45 minutes or so to do a full conversion.

I remember you talking about a flower bed, a heated rock wall, IR...

That's where the concept started looking "real world" to me. Looked like maybe you could squeeze in one last shot of photon energy without disrupting all the cycles and systems.

[DreadedHermie]

P x P

Sorry so slow. Hadda think about that one. (Not sure it helped...)

[DreadedHermie]

Okay, just snooped around your pot pen a bit. What's the roof made of? Is it curved, or is that from how you secured it?

Kinda reminds me of our first house <snif>. Looks like that roof prolly leaks less than ours did, though.

[Weezard]

P X P Moe ah, oh see, y'all.

W. (Da "hillperson")

[Weezard]

Okay, just snooped around your pot pen a bit. What's the roof made of? Is it curved, or is that from how you secured it?

26" X 8' clear Polycarbonate.
Flimsy, flat, panels.
Laid the sideways with an overlap.
Tied plastic rope loops through the cage, about 10" down both sides.
(Soft rope won't cut into the panels)
Then shoved a ridge "pole" up in the middle, to provide an even tension and bow the panels. for strength and run-off.
Don't need much slope, never snows.
I try to design everything as a "one man", low-rent, greenest kine, labor free, construct.


Kinda reminds me of our first house <snif>. Looks like that roof prolly leaks less than ours did, though.

The first pictures looked kinda raggedy.
That first tie is just to let the sum warm all da kinks from da ropes under load.
Then I re-tensioned and relifted.
Damn good lookin' now.
Noah Leaky eider!

Waiting for cable to install the security system.
When it's finished I'll prolly start a thread.

Aloha,
Doggiedaddie

[DreadedHermie]

Fine!

P X P Moe ah, oh see, y'all.

W. (Da "hillperson")

Step away from the bong, please....

Crissakes, man! It's not even noon! :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned:

[Weezard]

I remember you talking about a flower bed, a heated rock wall, IR...

Just observations looking for a link.


That's where the concept started looking "real world" to me. Looked like maybe you could squeeze in one last shot of photon energy without disrupting all the cycles and systems.

Well, you can fudge about an hour with it.
Dunno how strain dependent that is though.
Just advised MP to goose his next Laughing Buddah with it.

Aloha,
Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

N - QB5