We don't need the government to invest in alternative fuels.

[jonquest]

i would have to agree, i do not think people in general know whats truly best for them....most would rather see lower prices and let the next generation figure this shit out

so what would you like to see the government do to promote energy efficient/environmentally friendly cars?

[Stemis516]

so what would you like to see the government do to promote energy efficient/environmentally friendly cars?

well, off the top of my head they could give tax breaks or some other form of reward to people who buy hybrids or other energy efficient cars

they could give out money in the form of grants and stuff for the research of oil free alternatives and the sort

o how about this one? they could NOT bailout the auto companies who are so dependent on oil that they go bankrupt if gas prices get a little high....guess i was a little late on that one

[jonquest]

well, off the top of my head they could give tax breaks or some other form of reward to people who buy hybrids or other energy efficient cars

this would be taking money from one person and giving it to another person to help pay for a car. it is both morally and economically wrong. if people are going to give money to others to buy cars, it should be consensual. if we lowered taxes people would have more funds to subsidize hybrid cars on their own.

they could give out money in the form of grants and stuff for the research of oil free alternatives and the sort

We already have the technology. This idea also has the same moral and economic problems as the first one.

o how about this one? they could NOT bailout the auto companies who are so dependent on oil that they go bankrupt if gas prices get a little high....guess i was a little late on that one

i couldn't agree with you more here.

i think moving to cleaner cars is somewhat important, but we don't need the government to interfere. the market is already moving us in the direction of cleaner cars. the government's job is not to regulate which cars are sold.

[Coelho]

Well... hopefully, your government DO believe in the global warming and so will take the appropriate measures to try to diminish it, regardless the opinion of its not-eco-friendly citizens... i think its the first time i agree with the govt about anything...

[JaggedEdge]

Well... hopefully, your government DO believe in the global warming and so will take the appropriate measures to try to diminish it, regardless the opinion of its not-eco-friendly citizens... i think its the first time i agree with the govt about anything...

Dear god... global warming, global warming, global warming. Eugenics was a popular theory during Hitler's time. That turned out great.

I love the problems "eco-conscious" people have caused the environment.

[JaggedEdge]

SOB... Another double post because of the server being busy.

[Stemis516]

jonquest, so i take hit you disagree with welfare, medicaid and other forms in wealth redistribution as well? or apparently the government spending any of our tax dollars at all on anything?

[overgrowthegovt]

JaggedEdge...

Eugenics: belief in it results in a genocidal nightmare.

Global warming: belief in it results in a cleaner environment. Even if you don't believe that humans are responsible for the shift, what's wrong with doing our best to improve matters? What harm can it do? As for the DDT, it softened the shells of birds' eggs to a dangerous degree, and is generally abhorrent for the world's species. Sometimes there is a bigger picture than humans and their petty striving.

There will always be people who claim that the whole concept is bullshit--for much the same reasons, I believe, that evolution is still called a "theory" and officials refrain from laughing in the face of intelligent design. (As a side note, I propose a compromise that God made the first organism and Darwinism took it from there. Would end a lot of ridiculous debate).

I think it to be an egregious problem that most people seem to pick an ideology (in your case libertarianism) and then stubbornly interpret absolutely everything along those lines. I too resent paternalistic government and checks to freedom...typically. I believe your average citizen to be just too fucking stupid to be allowed to decide something as momentous as the earth's future. As somebody pointed out, when the will of the people leads to the consumption of the cheapest and most heavily advertised goods (with no regard for environmental or ethical standards of the production of said goods), someone needs to intervene. It's like an intervention for alcoholism...nothing inherently wrong with drinking, but it's time to speak up when they start guzzling vodka all day.

[Stemis516]

JaggedEdge...

Eugenics: belief in it results in a genocidal nightmare.

Global warming: belief in it results in a cleaner environment. Even if you don't believe that humans are responsible for the shift, what's wrong with doing our best to improve matters? What harm can it do? As for the DDT, it softened the shells of birds' eggs to a dangerous degree, and is generally abhorrent for the world's species. Sometimes there is a bigger picture than humans and their petty striving.

There will always be people who claim that the whole concept is bullshit--for much the same reasons, I believe, that evolution is still called a "theory" and officials refrain from laughing in the face of intelligent design. (As a side note, I propose a compromise that God made the first organism and Darwinism took it from there. Would end a lot of ridiculous debate).

I think it to be an egregious problem that most people seem to pick an ideology (in your case libertarianism) and then stubbornly interpret absolutely everything along those lines. I too resent paternalistic government and checks to freedom...typically. I believe your average citizen to be just too fucking stupid to be allowed to decide something as momentous as the earth's future. As somebody pointed out, when the will of the people leads to the consumption of the cheapest and most heavily advertised goods (with no regard for environmental or ethical standards of the production of said goods), someone needs to intervene. It's like an intervention for alcoholism...nothing inherently wrong with drinking, but it's time to speak up when they start guzzling vodka all day.

best post of the thread....thats why i dont associate with a certain political party or idealogy or whatever

i formulate ideas and decisions on an issue by issue basis

[JaggedEdge]

JaggedEdge...

Eugenics: belief in it results in a genocidal nightmare.

When eugenics was first proposed, do you believe people foresaw genocide?

Global warming: belief in it results in a cleaner environment. Even if you don't believe that humans are responsible for the shift, what's wrong with doing our best to improve matters?

As I said before, a lot of the times people try and help the environment, but they only end up causing more harm. Nothing is wrong with improving our environment, assuming it doesn't result in our quality of life decreasing. The solutions people are proposing these day's will do absolutely that.

What harm can it do? As for the DDT, it softened the shells of birds' eggs to a dangerous degree, and is generally abhorrent for the world's species. Sometimes there is a bigger picture than humans and their petty striving.

I honestly have trouble believing your serious here... You honestly believe we should save the lives of birds over humans. You would trade human lives for those of birds? Why bother attempting to cure any disease? I'm actually at a lose for words over this one... Maybe one day you will be lucky enough to die of malaria, I say lucky, because at least you will be saving the lives of some birds....

I think it to be an egregious problem that most people seem to pick an ideology (in your case libertarianism) and then stubbornly interpret absolutely everything along those lines.

Your argument supports my view of global warming perfectly. Thank you. Your right, people don't look at the facts because they simply follow their ideological leaders; no need for them to think for themselves.

I too resent paternalistic government and checks to freedom...typically. I believe your average citizen to be just too fucking stupid to be allowed to decide something as momentous as the earth's future.

So we allow government officials to make these decisions. Why are our politicians special? Do you honestly believe that all these stupid and ignorant people would not vote their own kind into office?