We don't need the government to invest in alternative fuels.

[McDanger]

and the warming of mars is relevant how? and who says im moving to cuba?

I don't care what OTHER COUNTRY'S TAXPAYERS pay for your degree as long as it is not ours, Cuba was just an example. You could go to anyplace you want. You are griping about this country, but you do not want to leave until after we pay for your degree.
As for what Mars has to do with so called global warming, you stated as fact that it is human caused. There is no human activity on Mars, yet it is warming also. That is what makes it relevant.

[jonquest]

jonquest, so i take hit you disagree with welfare, medicaid and other forms in wealth redistribution as well? or apparently the government spending any of our tax dollars at all on anything?

you are correct. help for the poor, sick, elderly and the like should come from willing, charitable people. help for these people should not come from stealing people's money at gun point. a homeless person stealing a dollar from a millionaire is still robbery.

[JaggedEdge]

you are correct. help for the poor, sick, elderly and the like should come from willing, charitable people. help for these people should not come from stealing people's money at gun point. a homeless person stealing a dollar from a millionaire is still robbery.

This is the underlying argument and it makes perfect sense to me. I don't understand why people can't see the difference between entitlement programs and charity. I don't know why it isn't up to the individual how he/she chooses to donate their money. NOBODY is entitled to someone else's money!

I imagine the people who support these programs would be royally pissed if their employer came to them one day and said, "Sir, I understand you work hard for your money, but 25% of your paycheck will be going to James from now on. He is having a hard time right now and seeing as how you and he work for the same company, he is entitled to that portion of your paycheck."

[jonquest]

This is the underlying argument and it makes perfect sense to me. I don't understand why people can't see the difference between entitlement programs and charity. I don't know why it isn't up to the individual how he/she chooses to donate their money. NOBODY is entitled to someone else's money!

I imagine the people who support these programs would be royally pissed if their employer came to them one day and said, "Sir, I understand you work hard for your money, but 25% of your paycheck will be going to James from now on. He is having a hard time right now and seeing as how you and he work for the same company, he is entitled to that portion of your paycheck."

hahaha. you're example is perfect and gave me a good chuckle. it's almost like the broken window fallacy when you think about it. everyone says "of course we should give everyone healthcare." they don't realize that money has to come from someone else. i was talking to this guy about universal healthcare and he couldn't understand why it still wouldn't be free. he must have thought the money would just come from the sky from God himself.

[GoldenBoy812]

I don't care what OTHER COUNTRY'S TAXPAYERS pay for your degree as long as it is not ours, Cuba was just an example. You could go to anyplace you want. You are griping about this country, but you do not want to leave until after we pay for your degree.

Brain drain prevention does not allow for professionals to "move" outside the country and begin practicing their new skill without obtaining a degree or certification (not medical either) within the system they desire.

Strictly speaking, a person cannot obtain an AMA license, a degree from Harvard, and begin practicing in France. While nobody can take your degree from you, French hospitals do not recognize foreign certification, and neither do any industrialized countries. Otherwise, a ton of countries would be pissed that they pay (especially Western Europe) for people to obtain a degree, and then they high tail to any free market segment that pays better.

[Stemis516]

no taxpayers are paying for my education, i am paying for my education and no one else

frankly, i can take my degree wherever the hell i want thank you very much

[GoldenBoy812]

But you will not be able to become certified in that country unless you work for a US subsidiary or some other means of employment that does not require a degree or certification.

In regards to the European community; they regulate against that type of transfer because they fear it for themselves (mostly in the health fields). Similarly, i cannot go to China and apply for a job at a Chinese owned company without a slew of legal obstacles. Instead, i would have to apply for a job at a US company with a Chinese operation.

[overgrowthegovt]

When eugenics was first proposed, do you believe people foresaw genocide?



As I said before, a lot of the times people try and help the environment, but they only end up causing more harm. Nothing is wrong with improving our environment, assuming it doesn't result in our quality of life decreasing. The solutions people are proposing these day's will do absolutely that.




I honestly have trouble believing your serious here... You honestly believe we should save the lives of birds over humans. You would trade human lives for those of birds? Why bother attempting to cure any disease? I'm actually at a lose for words over this one... Maybe one day you will be lucky enough to die of malaria, I say lucky, because at least you will be saving the lives of some birds....




Your argument supports my view of global warming perfectly. Thank you. Your right, people don't look at the facts because they simply follow their ideological leaders; no need for them to think for themselves.





So we allow government officials to make these decisions. Why are our politicians special? Do you honestly believe that all these stupid and ignorant people would not vote their own kind into office?

Our quality of life is a little too high at the moment, materially. I really can't give any amount of a shit whether or not new environmental measures will result in your average person not being able to afford an HD TV.

You are right...stupid and ignorant people vote their own kind into office. In theory, then, nobody is qualified to make any decision, but decisions have to be made. If a river was being rapidly drained of all its fish, the people need to be banned from fishing there, however much some may moan about how their rights are being stepped on. I can't think of anything more dire than the future of the planet, but apparently our consumerist "quality" of life takes precedence. I used the birds as one example...the birds aren't the only victims of human "progress." I'd rather see a green world where we live more simply, than a world of wheels and gears in which everybody can consume to their heart's content.

I'm not a liberal, just a guy who tries to look at everything on its own terms. I'm typically pretty anarchistic, but I'm all for keeping people from doing irrevocable harm to the beautiful world. One day humans will be extinct and the earth will get a reprieve.

[Coelho]

I'd rather see a green world where we live more simply, than a world of wheels and gears in which everybody can consume to their heart's content.

I think it isnt even a matter of personal liking... a world with the level of consumerism there is today simply cant last long. Many natural resources (from where everything that is consumed ultimately comes) are finite, and are ending, some of them fast. Sooner or later the society will reach an unsustainable point (if it didnt already) and it wont be able to keep existing as it is today.
So, this consumerist way of life is doomed to end, and surely its end will bring a lot of suffering, which could have been avoided if society hadnt indulged so much in unwise behaviors concerning its relationship with the rest of the world (that is FAR greater than the mere society).

[McDanger]

no taxpayers are paying for my education, i am paying for my education and no one else

frankly, i can take my degree wherever the hell i want thank you very much

Unless you are going to a private college, with no grants, somebody is paying for at least half of your education since ALL public colleges are subsidized at least 50% by the state, plus any endowment or donations from alumni.