We don't need the government to invest in alternative fuels.

[JaggedEdge]

The Obama administration keeps mentioning how important it is for us to invest in alternative fuels, unfortunately, they aren't needed in this area. The reason our system works is the private sector works these things out on it's own.

Do you honestly believe the automakers aren't aware we will run out of oil in the next 30 years or so? Do you honestly believe they will remain idle while they are run out of business? No, they will adapt. They will improve alternative fuel technology, because it affects their profit margin. They have much more incentive to invest in this kind of technology than the government does.

We don't need them spending our money to research what the private sector will research on their own!

The free market should be the determining factor in what technologies are developed and improved upon. If their is a market for fucking windmills private companies will invest in windmill technology. If their is a market for solar panels they will invest in that area.

I remember the government pushing the whole ethanol thing and that turned out great. People in other countries were starving because we were using food to make our fuel. I remember saying it didn't seem like a good idea to use food for fuel and low and behold problems occurred because of it. These are the type of sophomoric ideas these folks in Washington come up with. We don't need them peddling their ignorant ideas.

There are people in the fields far more qualified to develop solutions, research the problems, and find private investors to finance such endeavors. They tend to be more competent as well considering they are using their own funds, or are required to show progress the the investors who's money they are using. The government on the other hand isn't using their own money. They simply use the taxpayers money to fund this shit and therefor don't care as much about actual results.

If the American consumer wants something, chances are good the private sector will produce it.

JaggedEdge Reviewed by JaggedEdge on 03-25-2009. We don't need the government to invest in alternative fuels. The Obama administration keeps mentioning how important it is for us to invest in alternative fuels, unfortunately, they aren't needed in this area. The reason our system works is the private sector works these things out on it's own. Do you honestly believe the automakers aren't aware we will run out of oil in the next 30 years or so? Do you honestly believe they will remain idle while they are run out of business? No, they will adapt. They will improve alternative fuel technology, because Rating: 5

[jonquest]

After reading some of your posts, I have to ask you...did you vote for Ron Paul?

[Stemis516]

im not saying that i disagree with you but all the automakers have been on the verge of crumbling for some time now all because they didnt invest in alternative fuel and stuff....and oil didnt even run out, the price just went up a little bit....so i dont really know how much we can trust them to make the correct investments

i mean whats wrong with the government giving out some grants at the very least to continue and improve research in the area

[overgrowthegovt]

I dislike and mistrust governments as much as the next man (believe me), but the only thing more self-serving and amoral than a government is a corporation. There is nothing holy about the free market, no inherent value in laissez-faire leave to arbitrarily fuck with the world and its peoples.

Of course the government needs to invest in alternative fuels. I can hardly think of a better use for tax dollars, with the possible exception of education. Alternative fuels are absolutely necessary for human progress at this point, for man to finally begin rectifying the environmental carnage we've wrought for the longest time. This holy free market will indeed explore other fuel sources, realizing that this is necessary for their profit and survival, but these will not necessarily be eco-friendly sources. The problem with the holiness of the completely free market is that world commerce is in the hands of CEOs who value money and nothing else, who have no other interests or concern for human well-being in general. Governments, as corrupt and inefficient as they mostly are, at least have other concerns besides profit, so I whole-heartedly support their role in alternative fuel progress.

[JaggedEdge]

After reading some of your posts, I have to ask you...did you vote for Ron Paul?

No, but only because he didn't have a shot at winning. I wouldn't have been able to live with myself if Obama happened to take louisiana by a few votes.

I love Ron Paul, I just wish people gave him the respect he deserved.

[JaggedEdge]

im not saying that i disagree with you but all the automakers have been on the verge of crumbling for some time now all because they didnt invest in alternative fuel and stuff....and oil didnt even run out, the price just went up a little bit....so i dont really know how much we can trust them to make the correct investments

i mean whats wrong with the government giving out some grants at the very least to continue and improve research in the area

1. The government is broke.

2. The government doesn't have money of it's own, just what the citizens are forced to hand over to them.

Besides, American car makers aren't the only ones who will be searching for these things. Japanese and German automakers will also try and come up with an affordable and efficient alternative to these problems.

It depends on the automaker, they should be allowed to survive or fail on their own, without interference by the government. Their problems lie in having an inferior product when compared to foreign cars. Some may have corrupt CEO's or poor money management, I'm not exactly sure. There problems have absolutely nothing to do with there not investing in alternative fuels.

They adapt, the Hummer for instance keeps downsizing because of consumer trends. People just aren't willing to buy big Hummers the way the used to, so now we have the H3.

Honda is not the only automaker with hybrid vehicles, so I'm not exactly sure how you equate their problems to a failure in researching other alternatives.

[Stemis516]

japanese and german automakers have been, thats why they arent all broke right now


and i will agree with you, i am also for the american automakers failing....ford should be the only one left because they were in the best condition and have made it without aid and then once this thing turns around they shouldve been able to reap the benefits of being the only american automaker left but no


hell niether me nor my parents have bought an american car that i can remember and i certainly dont plan to ever buy one....they just make an inferior product and youre right, they should no longer exist

but i mean youre sort of contradicting yourself here....you want the car companies to take care of their own business but yet you have recognized that they are not capable of this.....trust me, i prefer the free markets just as much as the next guy, but unlike you and our buddy ron paul i want the federal government to still play a minor role, albeit much diminished from what they are today

[JaggedEdge]

I dislike and mistrust governments as much as the next man (believe me), but the only thing more self-serving and amoral than a government is a corporation. There is nothing holy about the free market, no inherent value in laissez-faire leave to arbitrarily fuck with the world and its peoples.

You obviously don't mistrust the government as much as you like to pretend, otherwise you would think their meddling was a liability.

Alternative fuels are absolutely necessary for human progress at this point, for man to finally begin rectifying the environmental carnage we've wrought for the longest time.

All this hippie bullshit pisses me off. Why does it have to be "eco-friendly?" If there is a market for eco-friendly products they will be created. What you are talking about is the government interfering in our lives by saying we can only buy products that are eco-friendly. The environment looks fine to me. The soil still grows food, the water is drinkable, what the fuck exactly is wrong with our environment. You can take care of the environment without becoming a fucking eco-nazi.


Environmental carnage? What exactly is this carnage you speak of? The pseudo-science know as Global Warming? Species going extinct despite the fact it happens every day and has been happening for thousands of years? Carnage is a very strong word, yet I don't see any evidence of carnage taking place. Sure the smog in L.A. indicates a problem with pollution in the area, therefor they need to fix their own problem on their own.

I also like the hypocrisy of liberal thinking. I assume you believe Darwin was correct with his theories, yet we must save all these species and plants, we must save the environment! Darwin wouldn't care what animals live and die, it a part a nature. What every happened to natural selection and survival of the fittest? If your planet is changing, we and other animals will adapt, if not, we really aren't worthy of surviving.

This holy free market will indeed explore other fuel sources, realizing that this is necessary for their profit and survival, but these will not necessarily be eco-friendly sources.

Again, why do they have to be eco-friendly?

The problem with the holiness of the completely free market is that world commerce is in the hands of CEOs who value money and nothing else, who have no other interests or concern for human well-being in general.

Are you really that idealistic. Of course CEO's care about making money, they would never have advanced to that position if they weren't good at it. I fail to see what is wrong with succeeding in life and making a fortune. Are they evil because the started a company and turned it into a profitable business? Are they evil for creating jobs? Yes, there are corrupt CEO's, but they aren't all corrupt.

Not to mention, what incentive would their be to invent things if it weren't due to money. If you come up with an ingenious idea, you want to get a patent. If it weren't for the financial benefits of coming up with said idea, what incentive would their be to actually work at it and eventually produce the product?

Governments don't come up with great ideas, civilians do.

Also, with the free market, if you don't like the practices of a company you can choose to not support them financially. There isn't that check and balance when it comes to the government and it's investments.

And do you really believe politicians aren't greedy? Do you honestly believe the majority of politicians care about the people? Their actions don't suggest they give a fuck about us. They not only are greedy when it comes to money, but they are power hungry as well.

I hate ignorant generalized statements like that. Yup, every CEO and every president of a company would slaughter 10 children if the price was right. Believe you that...

What alternative fuels do you have in mind? Windmills that kill birds like their going out of season and are very unreliable. It's a technology that has been around for 100's of years and is still complete shit? Perhaps solar panels. Nope you need to many of those in order to produce a reasonable amount of power, not to mention all these people who want alternative energy don't want it in their backyard. Sure we could try and improve it, but who is to determine which of these inferior sources of energy will power the country.

Nuclear power is the best we have right now, but we can't use that because the critics say it isn't eco-friendly.

[JaggedEdge]

japanese and german automakers have been, thats why they arent all broke right now

Your missing the point, their failings have nothing to do with failing to research proper alternatives. There are American made cars that are fuel efficient and/or electric. I fail to see your point. If one American company fails, others will likely pop up in their place.

[Stemis516]

man, i really enjoyed debating back and forth with you lately but since you basically claim that global warming is false i really cant take anything you say seriously anymore

and no, im not brainwashed by the government or whatever you think is the case...but its happening and humans are at fault

look, i can see where youre coming from....the government and its meddlings are responsible for alot of whats wrong in this country, im not disagreeing with you there, and in the vast majority of cases should be handled by the markets themselves but some government oversight is needed....anti-trust laws are one instance i can think of....a civilian can take advantage of the free markets easily if they wanted to

and about the cars i dont think i am missing the point....if all the american automakers did fail i highly doubt new carmakers would just pop up, its too late in the game for that....people would just buy more cars from japan or europe

i mean your whole thread was about wanting the american car companies to do thier own research but they have proven over the years that they are completely incapable with competing with japanese and european car companies...while toyota was busy coming up with the prius, us stupid ass americans were trying to make a bigger SUV

god i need to finish my degree and get the F out of this country