Astral projection (aka Out-of-body-experience)

[Coelho]

When anybody remembers being in a vivid memory or if anybody projects into the future as if the body is really there then anybody is out of their current bodies and in another body at a different time. So not so much out-of-body and more out-of-time.

Indeed... most experiences of this kind i have are usually displaced in time, and many in my physicals future, what sometimes results in nice precognitions...

Coelho... the answer to your question depends on who you ask. there are many theories on astral projection (AP) and lucid dreaming (LD) and regular dreaming (RD) and waking reality (WR).

the one that made most sense to me was one that did not have distinct lines between each category. the progression between WR - RD - LD - AP was not like distinct steps but more like a sloping ramp with gray areas of crossover between each level. that makes every state of mind fall under the heading of "CONSCIOUSNESS" simply with varied sources of input/stimuli.

It makes sense... i did read something that compared our minds to radios which can be "tuned" at different stations, so i think the writer meant this different states of consciousness as the "stations"...

it sounds like you were between LD and AP. some label that ethereal projection (EP) being higher than a dream but still connected to the ethereal or physical plane of existence. the astral world by many is very distinct from physical reality so any projection taking place where it appears to be in the physical world is EP not AP. AP is a much "stranger" world...

Yes... i should had specified that my experience could be an etheric projection, but i prefered to use the more general name "astral projection", even if it wasnt quite correct...

many believe dreaming takes place in the astral plane so AP is the same as LD.

Well... i dont know the dreams of other people, so i cant disagree with it, but unfortunately my own LDs are always in the etheric plane, almost always about waking worlds situations and places, with the only difference that i know its a dream and thus have a bit more control over some things...

i can understand and relate to wanting to know if an experience was real or not. if you experience it then it is real. is it objective real or subjective real? i think everything is subjective real to the observer.

I agree that what we experience is real for us... but what i want to know is how much of my perceptions during the experience were real for the others (perceptions of the physical world) and how much were real only for me (products of my mind alone, like memories, thoughts, dreams, etc.).