Designing a new strain for 2 week flowering

[denialisback]

Hello all,
I'm a medical user of marijuana and for sometime I have been considering better ways to grow; naturally sane and insane, unaturally obtuse and particularly profane.

Anyways, I have been in a case of super thought for quite some time, and I am considering the possibility of breeding a faster growing/cycling photosynthetically sensitive hybrid of cannabis.

This may sound bizarre to even the educated pharma and biochemists amongst us, but if you stop to think about it, the idea isn't so insane. It would require a lot of resources, but theoretically at least, the possibility of creating an altered genetic strain of cannabis that grows 4 times faster is possible, providing you are able to provide say 1200W instead of 400W.

I know to an extent that a 1200W will cause a plant to grow faster than a 400W in 'natural genetics' for the cannabis plant.

I'm pretty positive though, the only reason the cannabis cycle is say 12/12 or 18/6 is because of the environments it evolved over, probably, millions of years?? As a result the plant has an 8 week flowering time, based on the suns power, surface area/volume ratio of leaves and the such, basic evolution stuff. But consider this, lets change that re-encode the rna so that the plant thinks that it is OK to try and do things faster.. I believe through trial and error alone this task can be achieved eventually (may take years hell i have the time ish).

Does anybody know if any work has been done looking into such a thing? For a medical marijuana patient this sort of research truly is the holy grail of modern medicine, even if the pharmas can't patent it, furthermore, it actually makes it viable as a medicine - bioavailibility and harvest time is extremely important no??

Please, anyone at all who wants to contribute ideas here, providing they aren't much more insane than mine )) please, go for it!!!

Thanks in advance.

Peace,
Denial

denialisback Reviewed by denialisback on 03-13-2009. Designing a new strain for 2 week flowering Hello all, I'm a medical user of marijuana and for sometime I have been considering better ways to grow; naturally sane and insane, unaturally obtuse and particularly profane. Anyways, I have been in a case of super thought for quite some time, and I am considering the possibility of breeding a faster growing/cycling photosynthetically sensitive hybrid of cannabis. This may sound bizarre to even the educated pharma and biochemists amongst us, but if you stop to think about Rating: 5

[Storm Crow]

As well as broke. I would start with an autoflower strain and breed from that. Science is cool and can get some very interesting results, but you can also do it the slow, old fashioned way- with culling and selective breeding. Just keep picking the biggest and fastest.

The thing is, most of us have some great ideas, but no way to implement them. Genetic engineering would be most cool to do, but there's no way most of us can afford it. When you are going against millions of years of genetic programing, you may get some unexpected results. :weedpoke: (Remember Jurassic Park?)


We can also BREED our way there, but it will take time. It's also quite affordable. :twocents:


May I suggest an alternate project? CBD is much more difficult to breed for than THC. Even in a primitive setting, you can selectively breed for high THC. You sample a bit of the bud, if it gets you high you keep some of the seed. :thumbsup: If not, you feed it to your chickens!

CBD is much more subtle in its "noticeable" effects, but extremely promising for medical usage. Click the link in my sig for some of its uses. This thread will also show you why it is needed (and has a lot more about the subject). Very high CBD strains, which ones? - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

As the number of MMJ states increases, and the many uses of high CBD cannabis become known, there will be a sudden demand for high CBD cannabis. I'm just telling you of a coming market/demand.

I'm not in a situation where I could do anything like a halfway decent breeding project, but if I had the land, I'd sure be thinking about what strains I grew and bred. I think that THC wouldn't be the only cannabinoid, I'd be looking for. A strain high in both THC and CBD would also have a big demand.

Granny :hippy:

[zemaze]

with science you may be able to do what was once impossible but the way to do it should be scienticfic and logical. with selective breeding it is impossible rather illogical to try and make a 4 week flowering strain. it would be like the middle age science of evolution when they started cutting the tails of rats of a certain population and breedin them waitin for that tail to get shorter in the next generation due to evolution which it never did cuz this takes thousands if not millions of years to show any difference. there is no reson for a quick flowering plant to flower faster with selective breeding. theyr tryin to make buds grown out of nothing by makin the tissue regenerate itself if one day this succeeds you won't even need to grow we'd need bud spores and bud producer till that day i'll stick with the best strains and geetic improvement... cheers

[tokeNsmoke86]

there is no reson for a quick flowering plant to flower faster with selective breeding.

Your talking about evolution, that does take millions of years. But people have been selective breeding plants sense the agricultural revolution. Most dogs now-a-days are also the product of selective breeding which does show results in the offspring you breed. AKA selective breeding is where its at.

[zemaze]

you missed my point, what i mean is that even the fastest flowering plant is longer than 2weeks so in order to make it faster the plant needs to evolute to become faster than that, there is no gene tellin it to flower faster thats why i cant see selective breeding achieving a 2week flowering plant. today's dogs are a mix of canine family they have qualities of that family they haven't developed some super fast growin puppies rather they developed mixed characteristics, donkeys and mules are another example. to get to your goal you have to change the means. i think by growing a plant naturally it needs to go through its natural lifecycle so we need a breakthrough a new achievement to get something out of the normal and i think regeneratig cells has a good chance

[denialisback]

Hello all,
crow,zemaze, tokensmoke'. Crow firstly, thanks for some good advice, some stuff I haven't thought about a lot or at all in there!!

I've read a lot of your MMJ articles on here BTW. Good stuff. You must be dislike by the DEA lol. Their statistics and 'propoganda' war seem to ignore most of the anti cancer effects. Anyways, without getting too crazy about off-topic.

hell yeah, CBD cbd CBD! That what the future is about for people who wan't to smoke cannabis in a stable way. given that CBD is proven to be an antipsychotic and THC is proven to be a psychotic (like most mind altering drugs) one would expect a chemically syntactic approach to developing breeds of THC laden plants.

A friend of mine in the US is already actively trying to breed higher CBD to THC ratio contents in his plants(i'll ask him what breeds he is using).

Specifically to people who doubt the possibility , feasability, or viability of genetic manipulation in plants. You would have been right maybe 20 or 30 years ago technology wise. You'd also be right to mention that selective breeding WILL LIKELY TO not produce a 5 week or 4 week flowering strain, faster growing strain, or a more photosynthetically active strain.

HOWEVER this does not mean it is not encodable/possible either a) naturally or b)unnaturally. Unless I am missing some sort of physical photosynthetic constant for chlorplasts in a plant cell.

Ok, lets not get too technical - but suppose for a moment that a day to a plant was an hour or 4 hours instead of 24 hours. what effect would/could this have on the evolutionary nature of photosynthetic relatives F2, F3?

We would effectively be selectively breeding via natural selection (some plants WILL die as a result of this) - to find the genetic 'purity' of cannabis strain(s) required to create a 4x multipler cycle on the normal plants cycle.

I have postulated that, providing that 4x the light is given on that cycle, the plant should develop comparable growth to as what it would have been at 1x the light at a normal cycle (24hour based).

Thoughts, anyone?


Peace,
Denial

[Storm Crow]

If your friend has some real good ones, could you have him get in touch with pops (he posted in the thread)? He is also always looking high CBD strains- for obvious reasons, if you read the thread. Thanks!

And how could a "sweet little old lady" like me :silly: be disliked by anyone? I'm just posting a "few" medical studies (that I had no part in creating) and encouraging young people to become politically active citizens who vote? :dance: I also encourage good manners, self-education and better nutrition. I do try to help people who are in need by answering their questions to the best of my knowledge (and I am an "info-junkie" on certain subjects).

And I believe in my grandfather's words! :thumbsup:


Granny :hippy:

[MadSativa]

they are called "RUDERALS" but a 2 week flowing period, I dont even see as possible. the Ruderals usualy have a 2-3 week veg with the rest flower time. the finshed product is 2 months or just over 8 weeks.

You are asking nature to do things that we just dont have the technology for. If a plant were to flower in 2 weeks the buds would be extramly small, and potency would be small as well. Their are very few blooming times that are 2 weeks in nature and those that are, are bitter fruits and flowers, that usualy can not be eaten. I like the idea but I am not sure if it is possible.

[denialisback]

they are called "RUDERALS" but a 2 week flowing period, I dont even see as possible. the Ruderals usualy have a 2-3 week veg with the rest flower time. the finshed product is 2 months or just over 8 weeks.

cool, thanks, this is good input, so these do exist.

You are asking nature to do things that we just dont have the technology for. If a plant were to flower in 2 weeks the buds would be extramly small, and potency would be small as well. Their are very few blooming times that are 2 weeks in nature and those that are, are bitter fruits and flowers, that usualy can not be eaten. I like the idea but I am not sure if it is possible.

Sadly, I know . It's true if a normal plant was to flower in 2 weeks buds would be extremely small, but think for a moment what if you were providing that plant with 4x the usual sunlight a plant would be able to absorb per unit square, what if the plants natural "day" was shorter, say 1hour per day. What then? heh.. more often that not in my experience if something cannot be done you need to redefine the problem somehow

I know there are physical and genetic limitations here, but if anyone can provide some feedback as to where they are, that'd be awesome :-)

What if you crossed a ruderals with a cannabis plant? Does anyone have any viable ideas as to modify a plants genetic clock or better, fool it.. ;o

Peace,
Denial

[MadSativa]

^^ you would have to have some kinda technology that as far as I know has not even been concived as far as plants go, but if you can imagin it somewhere in the universe it is happening.