Well... after two pages of intense discussions i think its time to say that every people is absolutely right from its own viewpoint.

Each person percieves the world in a unique and personal matter, and builds a "truth" based upon this personal way of percieving. Even when this "truth" is based or affected by other persons, beliefs, or whatever, still its meaning is unique for each one. Two persons may have the same life experiences, beliefs, etc, but surely their own views of the same "truth" still will be personal, and thus different, even if alike.

So, its ultimately useless to discuss such things. No one can enter someone elses mind and percieve the world as someone elses does, and so each one of us is limited by our own world view and by the beliefs that stems from it.

Discussions may add things to our minds, but the way this new things are shaped into our minds is also personal. I would say that nobody is converted to a new religion, phylosophy, belief or whatever, but that everybody converts itself.

Imagine two spaceships floating free in the space, with a constant speed, far from earth, sun, or whatever reference point. The passengers of the first ship see (and believe) that they are resting and that the other ship is the one moving. The passengers of the second ship see and believe they are resting and that the first ship is the one which is moving. Who is right and who is wrong? Both and none... each one is right in their own referential and wrong in the another ones referential... thats what relativity means... and surely it works for a lot of things besides floating spaceships...