I believe in God

[Wannous]

people always say if there was a god why is there war,hunger,diseases...ect

but if god made the world perfect...what would happen to heaven?

[overgrowthegovt]

I appreciate your reply and would only say that I looked at this world and said there is no God too. The Course in Miracles states that this is the world of the ego and WE are creating the suffering ourselves. That makes sense to me and is evident in our behaviors toward each other. I don't pretend to understand what God is and he is everything. How could I characterize what is all encompassing, I can't. Truth does not respond to illusions. Thanks. MH

That can sit with me. We fuck everything up but the truth behind it all, the bass line, I suppose, is unalterable. Things are so tragic, I think, because few people see it like we do...they're either nihilistic hardcore pragmatists or people who can't really grasp spirituality so they turn to some dogma or other, a dogma of human likes and dislikes that doesn't in any way really reflect anything lofty.

[Mr. Happy]

In answer to the whole bit about explaining science to people 2000 years ago.

I would demonstrate the superiority of my technology, and then begin indoctrinating their children in the new order. Replacing their primitive superstitions and other nonsense with, with empirical philosophy.

What is so superior about "your technology?" Has technology saved us from ourselves? Do you think it will? Is that what Jesus was interested in? Jesus spoke to what binds us together in God, which is the Source of life. What use does technology have?
If your remember, Jesus was pretty radical for that period and he was anti-establishment as noted in his discussions with the Pharasees. His ideas of God were radically different than held by a lot of people then. I just think there are a lot of assumptions in your argument. Peace, MH

[Mr. Happy]

That can sit with me. We fuck everything up but the truth behind it all, the bass line, I suppose, is unalterable. Things are so tragic, I think, because few people see it like we do...they're either nihilistic hardcore pragmatists or people who can't really grasp spirituality so they turn to some dogma or other, a dogma of human likes and dislikes that doesn't in any way really reflect anything lofty.

Excellent. Couldn't agree more. Peace, MH

[Coelho]

Well... after two pages of intense discussions i think its time to say that every people is absolutely right from its own viewpoint.

Each person percieves the world in a unique and personal matter, and builds a "truth" based upon this personal way of percieving. Even when this "truth" is based or affected by other persons, beliefs, or whatever, still its meaning is unique for each one. Two persons may have the same life experiences, beliefs, etc, but surely their own views of the same "truth" still will be personal, and thus different, even if alike.

So, its ultimately useless to discuss such things. No one can enter someone elses mind and percieve the world as someone elses does, and so each one of us is limited by our own world view and by the beliefs that stems from it.

Discussions may add things to our minds, but the way this new things are shaped into our minds is also personal. I would say that nobody is converted to a new religion, phylosophy, belief or whatever, but that everybody converts itself.

Imagine two spaceships floating free in the space, with a constant speed, far from earth, sun, or whatever reference point. The passengers of the first ship see (and believe) that they are resting and that the other ship is the one moving. The passengers of the second ship see and believe they are resting and that the first ship is the one which is moving. Who is right and who is wrong? Both and none... each one is right in their own referential and wrong in the another ones referential... thats what relativity means... and surely it works for a lot of things besides floating spaceships...

[zihowie]

I didnt take the time to read much past the first page and dont expect anyone else to mine. I just wanted to say I agree with some points. so here it is...

I believe in God. Im not sure his name is God or he is of the Christian faith. In fact, I believe he strongly dislikes most Christians. He may not be in any kind physical form or be in any certain corner of the galaxy, but he or she or they are there. Other than this I find it hard the fathom mine or anyone elses thoughts of morals and idealisms. Right or wrong, black and white there is no grey area in our world of injustice.